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DarlingBri
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RE: iframes and scroll bars !! - 12/8/2002 15:56:05
The short answer: your tables with your little images are too wide.
The better answer: dude, what are you *thinking*?
This is a shopping site, right? You want to open your store to as many people as you can and make shopping with you a good experience, right?
Well, this is NOT the way to do that. Aside from the fact that that is a completely annoying way to shop, what are people who have java script turned off going to see?
Nothing.
In addition, that scrolling thing, while cool, is very different than what visitors expect. Once you' ve finally lured shoppers to your site, you want to make shopping as EASY as possible for them. This is not the time to teach them new navigation tricks.
This is why God created shopping cart software. Seriously.
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RE: iframes and scroll bars !! - 12/8/2002 16:17:48
alastair,
Bri stated exactly what I was thinking when I looked at your site - listen to her!
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alastair connon
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RE: iframes and scroll bars !! - 12/8/2002 22:48:35
How to do it rather than IF I should do it is the question. The Image tables aren' t to wide. If you us the IE scroll bars you will see that it is the physical size of the imported page, the table only holds the thumbnails, so I want to hide the explorers scroll bars but don' t know how,
The site is still being played with and will, I am sure, change once the shopping cart side is added, but the templates are my first problem.
You say the design is way off base well I took the idea from www.balinesia.net whos turnover is extensive.... With thousands of products, doing 8 to a page is not an option I want to go.
Standard Shopping experience, The web was designed on change..Its not supposed to be conservative with millions of pages the same..
Who doesn' t run Java Script these days?
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DarlingBri
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RE: iframes and scroll bars !! - 12/9/2002 0:01:07
Wow. " Took" is right.
This is where I get off the Happy Coding Bus.
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pacific77
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RE: iframes and scroll bars !! - 12/9/2002 9:02:49
width is fine for me , but most people dont have a 19 inch monitor like I got , alot of people view in 800 width . my screen is sometimes at 800 width when I have my favorite menu pulled down . IT IS TOO WIDE. is this a prepackaged site you are into.
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alastair connon
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RE: iframes and scroll bars !! - 12/9/2002 10:35:46
Hi Chris
Thanks for the feed back. I originally set the site up using frames, but the general feedback from the forum was against frames. I have tried to do the site for 800x600 and set the text size at medium and work with it on a 17inch monitor and an old 15 inch.
Can you tell me the page you refer to being to wide, is it the inserted pages within the product pages or everything? If it is the inserted pages with the thumbnails then if I can remove the horizontal scroll bars then I think it will be anchored. Not sure.
The thumb nails are in a table but when I look at the page on its own then the table sits to the left ok, to the right of the table the page is blank which I think the scroll bars are forcing people to see.
Its been said that it is the table that is to wide, but I am at a loss to see why, if so then wouldn' t the table fill the whole page and the the thumbnails (let alone the script) would also be visible when scrolling horizontally. I have trouble explaining it. No the site isn' t prepackaged. Thanks
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pacific77
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RE: iframes and scroll bars !! - 12/9/2002 23:49:42
it viewed ok in 600x800 sorry I was thinking the wrong direction . i had been reading the screen to long and my brain was mush . I probably dont have correct answers for you , reword your questions and watch what directory you post it in you will get some answers
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Nigel
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RE: iframes and scroll bars !! - 12/12/2002 11:35:33
For each frame you have to tell Frontpage not to display the scroll bars otherwise it defaults to them. I don' t think this is overidden by the code you used for your iframe.
This is the same as for a normal frames page.
Right click in your frame, select: Frame Properties and at the bottom where you have an option for: Show Scrollbars - select Never.
Hope this answers your question
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alastair connon
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RE: iframes and scroll bars !! - 12/12/2002 12:00:28
Hi Chris and Nigel.
Thanks for the feedback. I will try and rephrase the question. oooh my head hurts. Nigel, frames were so easy but everybody said no .... Infact if I reverted back to frames removing the scroll bars would be as you say, much easier and save so much time and energy.
Ali
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RE: iframes and scroll bars !! - 12/16/2002 0:19:03
Get rid of the frames. For an ecommerce environment, frames are the kiss of death with your users and the crawler based search engines.
I viewed the balinesia.net site. Took a look at the code after the page finally loaded in my browser (I' m on a cable connection). That is a programmer' s nightmare! Oh sure, the site looks really nice and seems to have some usability, but, the frame structure along with the heavy use of scripting is destined for doom.
KIS - Keep It Simple
I leave off the last " S" because we are not stupid. The premise is to keep it simple. Simple means efficient. Simple means quick to load and easy to navigate. Simple means the user can bookmark the page for later reference or send it to a friend. Simple means success.
If you must use frames, limit it to two frames only. Either a top and bottom configuration or left and right, that' s it. Build an individual frameset for each main product category so users can at least bookmark the main sections.
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