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Publish through FP - 2/11/2003 20:46:33
I have WS_FTP, can I set an option where frontpage will auto-upload any newly created pages/folders and will auto-upload changed/saved pages/folders?
Will this interfere with normal uploading via WS_FTP?
I uploaded my whole site via WS_FTP
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RE: Publish through FP - 2/11/2003 22:20:52
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I have WS_FTP, can I set an option where frontpage will auto-upload any newly created pages/folders and will auto-upload changed/saved pages/folders?
Does your host have FrontPage extentions installed? If not, you will not be able to use FP to publish.
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Will this interfere with normal uploading via WS_FTP?
No it will not, but uploading your site with WS-FTP will interfere with FP' s maintenance of the site.
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I uploaded my whole site via WS_FTP
You should use one method or the other. If you can publish with FP, there is very little reason to use WS-FTP. Since you have uploaded your site with Ws-FTP, if you choose to publish your site with FP, you will have to republish your entire site using FP.
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RE: Publish through FP - 2/12/2003 1:40:38
Well it isn' t quite that easy, but close. You will have to have FP open and publish the site, but it will automatically publish what has been changed. With FTP it is a more manual thing. To make the best use of the features FrontPage has to offer, you really should publish it from within FP rather that using an ftp program.
Here is an addin that should allow you to schedule publishing. I' ve not tried it, so I can' t comment on how well it might work.
http://www.jimcoaddins.com/utils.htm
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RE: Publish through FP - 2/12/2003 4:19:49
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I have WS_FTP, can I set an option where frontpage will auto-upload any newly created pages/folders and will auto-upload changed/saved pages/folders? no
using ftp and FP is tricky. I would create folders that would auto-upload via WS-FTPand would be very careful not to use any Frontpage specific components in those folders.
If you are talking about working on a " server-based" web (live) then the benefit that you described (being a big time saver) does work. Instead of auto-uploading, what you are doing is editing the web site directly on the server, and when you hit save, the changes are active.
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FrontPage Live
/ Working on a “server-based web”. This means that you have a direct connection to a web server that has the FrontPage extensions set-up for your web. This is what people are talking about when they say editing the web “live”. Changes to the web take effect immediately upon saving.
To work on a web “live”. Go to File—Open Web… In the dialog box near the bottom is the line that says “Folder name: ” type your URL here, like this; http://www.nnnnnn.com, where nnnnn is your domain name. If the extensions are working then you get asked for user name and password, and another beautiful website begins…
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RE: Publish through FP - 2/12/2003 8:15:45
So,
A) I just delete everything off the server
B) I go to Publish Web
C) enter hosting login, enter hosting address
D) publish site to the server folder
How do I set it up where it will automatically publish newly created folders/pages and automatically publish changed and saved pages?
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RE: Publish through FP - 2/12/2003 8:24:24
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A) I just delete everything off the server
No, see below, there is no need to do this
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How do I set it up where it will automatically publish newly created folders/pages and automatically publish changed and saved pages?
You do not have to set it up at all, it already is set up to do that. After you make a change just do File>Publish Web and the changed pages or files, only, will be published.
You can override that and get it to republish everything at any time you wish, there is an option for that in the publish dialogue box. If you do this the first time you publish, all the stuff already on the server will be overwritten and the addtional files FP needs, and which you may or may not have FTPed, will be published.
If you have FTPed any of FPs own files (the ones in _vti folders) you have probably made a mess of your extensions and will need to contact your host to have them reinstalled.
If you use ws_ftp
- your forms will not work
- your include pages will only sort of work
- several other FP dependant features that you may be using will not work.
So while occasionally FTPing the odd page or FTPing script pages is not an issue really, using FP publish for the day to day management of your site is certainly your best option.
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RE: Publish through FP - 2/12/2003 9:42:35
Is it fine I am publishing to a host address that starts with ftp://
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RE: Publish through FP - 2/12/2003 9:53:10
I uploaded the whole thing through publish web.
I then made some changes to my index.html homepage and changed the options to only upload changed pages. I then clicked publish, without highlighting the index.html
Do I need to highlight the index.html and click publish (or drag it across)? If so, then what is the point of choosing " only upload changed pages" if doesn' t automatically upload changed pages?
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RE: Publish through FP - 2/12/2003 9:53:52
I forgot to say what happened when I did that. It just kept showing the illustration of pages being transferred without ever making any progress.
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RE: Publish through FP - 2/12/2003 9:59:00
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ftp://
No, " in general" when publishing it needs to be http://.
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RE: Publish through FP - 2/12/2003 10:49:31
I am now using a server-based web (editing the web " live" ) please tell me this is the fastest, best way to use frontpage with no disadvantages. Why doesn' t everyone do this instead of choosing to manually publish web or upload via ftp?
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RE: Publish through FP - 2/12/2003 10:50:23
Nancy, there' s no need for a publish utility scheduler when I' m doing it live, right?
http://www.jimcoaddins.com/utils.htm
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RE: Publish through FP - 2/12/2003 10:53:04
Also, I' m looking at the dir structure of the live web, and it says my computer -> web folders -> www.byepolar.com, but I go into my computer and I don' t see it.
Additionally, what should I do with the original web in My webs -> my web 1 -> byepolar ?
Should I just delete it?
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RE: Publish through FP - 2/12/2003 11:00:25
How do you upload " new" folders to the server when working in a " live" web?
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RE: Publish through FP - 2/12/2003 11:01:55
btw:
when it says enter publish destination in publish web, do I enter my server address like:
web3.0web-hosting.com
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RE: Publish through FP - 2/12/2003 11:47:12
In publish destination you enter:
http://www.yoursitename.com
You do NOT need to mark anything to just update changed pages, just publish.
You do NOT publish to an FTP location.
If you are editing live you need to at least occasionally and preferably after each editing, publish back to your local computer.
You VERY badly need to read some help files - all of this is in them. Nobody minds helping, that is why we exist here, but coming in here with every little question is a waste of peoples time and is not teaching you very much at all. Read ALL the info in FP help about publishing. It is very clear on the subject.
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RE: Publish through FP - 2/12/2003 12:47:53
Is there a way it will automatically save the pages created in the live web to the original disk-based web - so that I can have my whole site on the server live and on the harddrive?
Further, is a disk-based web even necessary? Why not doing every live?
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RE: Publish through FP - 2/12/2003 12:49:36
I guess there' s no need for ws_ftp either, I can delete it?
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RE: Publish through FP - 2/12/2003 22:26:33
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Is there a way it will automatically save the pages created in the live web to the original disk-based web - so that I can have my whole site on the server live and on the harddrive?
No.
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Further, is a disk-based web even necessary? Why not doing every live?
You' re confusing a disk-based web with a local web. Don' t use a disk-based web, but you should do all of your development on a local web, then publish to your production server. Depnding on the operating system you use, your local web host will be set up differently. Screw one script up and you' ll see why you want a local and a production website.
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I guess there' s no need for ws_ftp either, I can delete it?
If you registered it, you may as well keep it. It has other uses.
I agree with Katherine--you need to spend some time in the help files. I' m always glad to help, but these are the things you should have known before you started throwing pages on a server.
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RE: Publish through FP - 2/12/2003 23:13:18
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Is there a way it will automatically save the pages created in the live web to the original disk-based web - so that I can have my whole site on the server live and on the harddrive?
No. You have to make changes on the server and then publish back to your hard drive, as Katherine told you right before you asked this question.
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Further, is a disk-based web even necessary? Why not doing every live?
Because if you screw it up, which you will, it' s screwed up live. This is what " live" means.
You really, really, really need to read the help files!
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RE: Publish through FP - 2/13/2003 12:22:56
What is the point of having the benefit of the saved time when working with a server-based web if it requires downloading the changes back to the local web (which takes the same amount of time as uploading them).
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RE: Publish through FP - 2/13/2003 13:53:31
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What is the point of having the benefit of the saved time when working with a server-based web if it requires downloading the changes back to the local web (which takes the same amount of time as uploading them).
What' s the point of having insurance? Its a personal decision. Do you have that much faith in your host that they will be there forever? How much time is saved by not publishing to back-up when compared to rebuilding the entire site?
A few months ago, I accidentally deleted my _private folder on my hard drive. Were it not for the Internet site back-up, I would have been lost. Having learned from that, I now also back-up to a zip-drive and also a second computer.
Again - its purely your decision.
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RE: Publish through FP - 2/13/2003 14:30:08
What is the easiest way to save everything to the local web after working in a server-based web? I have just been opening ws_ftp and manually downloading the changes back to the local web, but this takes a long time.
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RE: Publish through FP - 2/13/2003 16:03:17
Nevermind, I figured it out, just browse to my web in the publish destination box.
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RE: Publish through FP - 2/13/2003 16:21:47
backup. Since I (like most) am lazy on the backup situation, I tend to rely on my hosts backup system. Occasionally I will publish a site back to my hard drive and then burn it to a CD, but the restore from that is not exactly painless.
I think my hosts charge around $40 to restore. By the time I get the CD, copy to the hard drive, fix the attributes, test and then re-publish, I would have spent more time goofing around with it, than to just have the host restore it.
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