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RE: Picture Splitter - 3/12/2003 10:58:28
Do I read this correctly - this plug in is for FP 2000 only? Any one try it with FP 2002?
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RE: Picture Splitter - 3/12/2003 13:18:58
It installed in my version of FP 2002.
The little bugger really does a nice job at slicing, the only thing I wonder is what purpose does it serve if it doesn' t optimize, etc. Please let me know if I' m missing something.
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RE: Picture Splitter - 3/12/2003 13:25:24
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It installed in my version of FP 2002
Thanks for the heads up Gail
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RE: Picture Splitter - 3/19/2003 19:44:51
This was a great idea, but I' m having a problem with it. In splitting my graphic it is constantly leaving a piece out. Anybody else have this problem?
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RE: Picture Splitter - 3/25/2003 16:58:05
Gee, I answered my own question. And all I had to do was look at the directions. I' m beginning to feel like the male equivalent of (oops, I started to say " dumb blonde" and then realized that would sound chauvinistic) an intelligence-challenged follically-light female.
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RE: Picture Splitter - 4/3/2003 16:24:08
Hi Gail,
I must be missing something too. Must be that I am an intelligence-challenged follically-deficient male. I did download the picture splitter and it seemed to work well for me. What do you mean by " what purpose does it serve if it doesn' t optimize" ? That word " optomize" is a bit over my head. What do you want it to do that it does not do?
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RE: Picture Splitter - 4/6/2003 12:27:32
A very good stand alone for those occasions when you' re not using something that' s specific to frontpage is splitz. I' ve used quite a lot when working in a windows environment. It is freeware and you can get it here:
http://www.b-zone.de/software/splitz.htm
by the way the rest of his gratis software is worth a look also.
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RE: Picture Splitter - 4/6/2003 13:02:12
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What do you mean by " what purpose does it serve if it doesn' t optimize" ? That word " optomize" is a bit over my head. What do you want it to do that it does not do?
Optimization of images allows them to be compressed so they load faster into a web page. Slicing an image allows several additional options. For example, an image can be sliced in programs such as Photoshop and ImageReady and each section can be saved at different compression levels; saved in a different file format (jpg or gif); placed in different tables for design and layout; a section of an image can be animated; etc.
Picture Splitter slices images but, as far as I can tell, doesn' t allow other tweaking of sections.
gail
btw, find time to read and study the following thread. imho, it is the best, most complete and helpful discussion of many of these techniques.
http://www.frontpagewebmaster.com/tm.asp?m=102318&p=1&tmode=1&smode=1
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RE: Picture Splitter - 4/6/2003 13:30:19
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ORIGINAL: _gail
Optimization of images allows them to be compressed so they load faster into a web page. Slicing an image allows several additional options. For example, an image can be sliced in programs such as Photoshop and ImageReady and each section can be saved at different compression levels; saved in a different file format (jpg or gif); placed in different tables for design and layout; a section of an image can be animated; etc.
Picture Splitter slices images but, as far as I can tell, doesn' t allow other tweaking of sections.
gail
btw, find time to read and study the following thread. imho, it is the best, most complete and helpful discussion of many of these techniques.
http://www.frontpagewebmaster.com/tm.asp?m=102318&p=1&tmode=1&smode=1
Oops I forgot to mention that splitz does do compression.
Here' s the blurb from the site:
Splitz! allows you to split any image into rectangular parts and export the resulting
images along with the HTML table that puts them back together. This allows webmaster
to create for creating mouseover effects and offers an alternative to imagemaps. It
supports many images formats and includes smart JPEG compression as well as basic
color balancing filters.
Latest Version: 1.43 (minor bugfixes, added PNG export)
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RE: Picture Splitter - 4/7/2003 19:07:02
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my main question about all of this is whether or not the load time justifies all the effort of slicing and compression? It is my opinion that the late computers are getting so fast that all of this becomes somewhat moot.
If you don' t use large images, you may not need to slice. However, compression really does matter!
While newer computers are indeed faster, their speed has only a marginal effect on the loading time of web pages and images. Even people with fast processors may use a dial-up connection, your know, S-L-O-W phone lines. While more and more people are switching to Broadband connections, I believe the majority is still on dial-ups so compress and optimize your images.
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RE: Picture Splitter - 4/8/2003 13:16:25
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It is my opinion that the late computers are getting so fast that all of this becomes somewhat moot.
Hi gskywalkers,
Gail makes an extremely important point which many folks forget when designing web sites.
My newest home computer is only fifteen months old and was close to the " top of the line" since I connect to business networks through it. Living in a rural area, I don' t have access to DSL or cable connections. My connection is through a 56K dial-up modem. My normal connection speed however, (that shown by the computer) normally runs at, and has never exceeded, 28.8 kilobytes per second since I' m going through so many telephone switches to reach my ISP. This is through a separate data line installed just for the computer, connection through our main telephone line is even slower.
By splitting images, compressing their size or having text load prior to images, I at least have something to look at while a page loads.
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RE: Picture Splitter - 4/8/2003 16:02:02
Hi John........I agree with everything you say as I am in a rural area myself and have to live with a 56k dial up modem but we need to go back only to 1997 when I was using Windows 95 and lucky enough to occasionally be able to achieve 14,400 on a 28,000k dial up modem. Even after I upgraded to a 56K modem, my connection speeds were usually 19,600 and I was told by my ISP that this is normal for my area. Well, after shopping through several ISP' s, my connection speeds are now always over 40,000 and thus my statement that " that the late computers are getting so fast that all of this becomes somewhat moot."
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RE: Picture Splitter - 4/8/2003 19:17:57
Thanks Gorilla.......I will have to give this a try. I see that he is no longer offereing any assistance but the download worked fine.
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RE: Picture Splitter - 4/8/2003 19:51:18
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Well, after shopping through several ISP' s, my connection speeds are now always over 40,000 and thus my statement that " that the late computers are getting so fast that all of this becomes somewhat moot."
Hi gskywalkers,
No, I still have to disagree. Newer computers are faster as to " processing" speed, but are still limited as to connection speed to the Internet dependent on available telephone links to the ISP. Regardless of the ISP I may use, I still have to travel through the same switches to reach the main telephone switch/hub where the ISP' s are located. My local telephone exchange requires that I travel this telephone backbone to reach an ISP. The only alternative I currently have is a satellite connection.
Years ago (early 1980' s  ) I used to limit my Computer Operators and System Analysts to lunch time and overnight compiles due to the impact on user response time. The " processing" portion caused that. Today, my personal computer, several times larger in processing capacity than my prior room of impressive, climate controlled hardware, still is limited by the speed I can download/upload what I process to the company computer.
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RE: Picture Splitter - 4/9/2003 1:14:04
Hi John......I think you have a phone company problem. My connection speeds were down where yours are now until the phone company put in underground fiber optic cables. Before that they were running on rusty barbed wire tied together with bailing wire.[:j]
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RE: Picture Splitter - 4/9/2003 8:28:55
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I think you have a phone company problem.
Here' s my two cents.
No, I am not of the opinion that John has a phone company problem per se. I think what he experiences is the rule rather than the exception. In fact both he and I recently tested the loading time of a site for another Outfronter and we both got the same results.
I go to people' s homes and teach computing. I' ve worked with LOTS of dial-ups on old as well as new computers. No matter what the age of the computer, the phone line connections are invariably slow though some are marginally better than others.
My daughter in other state has a MUCH older computer than I but a faster dial-up connection, though still slow. My sister, in yet another state, has a computer much newer and faster than mine. Her dial-up is so slow that I nearly cry when using it.
As an aside, I have both broadband and a dial-up connections. The dial-up is slow, slow, slow and I' m using the exact same one-and-a-half year old computer with broadband as I am with my 56k modem.
Bottom line when creating a website you want others to visit, you must acknowledge that the majority of users currently use dial-up connections. Optimizing images so they load quickly into a browser is very important if you want visitors to stick around.
I am much pleased when John checks one of my websites in a site review and tells me pages load well.  If I don' t get his " okay," it' s back to the drawing board for me![:' (]
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but even so, it made for very interesting reading. From what I gather about slicing and compression, the main advantage is a faster loading page. I experimented with an image that was 575x600 and the load time at 42666bps was about 13 seconds and the same image split into 4 slices using the FrontFX Picture Splitter and converted to jpg loaded in 7 seconds. I would probably never use and image that large on any of my pages so my main question about all of this is whether or not the load time justifies all the effort of slicing and compression? It is my opinion that the late computers are getting so fast that all of this becomes somewhat moot. 