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RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/10/2003 11:02:28
What seems to be the problem Deb?
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RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/10/2003 13:25:39
Does the include work if you put it in the page that calls it?
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RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/10/2003 16:37:52
Ok, now I did the pages as the tutorial says to do.
Now how do you create the rest of the pages that you want in your site?
I did a banner/heading that I would like to put on the top of each page, now how do you do this? I spent several hours working on this this morning, trying to get the light bulb to click in on this.
The table worked out, I did the contact, etc...that all worked. so I have the include pages.
what if I want the navagation to have some sort of gif for the buttons? So many questions I know, and I know that I am not asking all of them.
The backround of the page, I do this seperate from the includes?
deep breaths breath deeply into brown bag...............
I' m going to delete this one and start over, I want to get this right, have the copyrite thingie at the bottom, etc..........(I would have to make a larger table then the one in the tutorial right?)
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RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/10/2003 17:25:50
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what if I want the navagation to have some sort of gif for the buttons? I usually use a different component for this. The problem is that, you would need a different include page to indicate the " current page" (button disabled) status, for each page.
Include pages are good for Headings, and Footers, it can be tricky to put nav in there.
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RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/10/2003 17:36:45
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The problem is that, you would need a different include page to indicate the " current page" (button disabled) status, for each page.
Very good point caywind. Lately I' ve been using plain text with css for effects (mouseover) and haven' t been worrying about current page disabled being indicated. Is that a bad thing?
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RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/10/2003 18:20:10
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about current page disabled being indicated. Is that a bad thing? not really, just leads to a little teeny confusion
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RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/11/2003 0:29:55
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I can' t tell if you misunderstood what I was saying or not
Oh no, I understood what you were saying. I ment that i know that it would be easier to get a template already designed. Sorry If I wasn' t being clear with what I was saying. lol, trying to do a billion things at one time.
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Does the include work if you put it in the page that calls it?
lol, per the first parts of the tutorial they do.
Then I wonder how I add the things that I would like to add. Does that make sense? Like the banner etc at the top, and if I make the buttons for the navagation etc... Then how do you get those to work?
I think my brian needs a rest for the day. lol.
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RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/11/2003 2:14:57
I love Includes !!!!!!!!!!! ( & I still have a long way to go)
Whats more I just tested and found they work without extensions and having been FTP' d.
Step back from the PC Deb, and go for a walk outside, come back and try this angle!!
Consider this.................. My index page is called index.htm (original)
I have other separate pages I have been working on in my web called page1.htm (lazy), blue.htm, header.htm (with just my header image & a bit of text on it sitting at the top of the page), navigation.htm(with just my navigation buttons sitting in its own 140pix? wide table in the centre of the page), footer.htm(with just address details & a stray image sitting adhoc at the top of its page), etc etc
Now on my index page I have a few tables .... as we do ....... with 3 includes within it......
At the very top of my index page I went , INSERT> Web Component >INCLUDE > header.htm and my header appeared across the top called header.htm.
Down the LHS cell in my 2 cell table I " included" ie web component>include... my navigation.htm . The right hand side of this table will be the content & stuff I am yet to write out .
And down the very bottom (actually not even in a table) I clicked on INSERT>Web Component> Include & found my page called footer.htm and zap.........I almost have an index.htm page I am happy with.........just needs content and a bit of tweaking.
I play with the header.htm page & delete a few spaces that appeared underneath it (cant see them) But on the index page the other stuff just bumped up a few lines.
Navigation only has home & blue on it, I can add to it later when I get my main index page just right.
The footer part of my index.htm page is rough enough, this will be all over the place on every page anyway, depending on how much content I put on each page. Ooops I forgot the web address .....so go to footer.htm and modify.
OK I am happy with my layout of my index.htm page, the navigation include is where I want it (butt up to the include header)
Now I want to make a new page so I save index.htm as a " save as" debs_page2.htm
Now debspage2 looks like index.htm, but with different content added into the RHS cell nextto the Navigation. (I think I just used my index page as a template....without realising it!)
Whats more I am also going to save the index page as name " template.htm" and keep opening template.htm and saving as the name of all other pages I want.
(might make the template.htm page use the same background properties as the index.htm page so I only need to change the index page background for future modifications)
Anyway, using my template.htm, I save 3 times as red.htm, yellow.htm & green.htm and add content to each of these pages
Hmmm, now I go to my navigation.htm page and type in and hyperlink the names red, yellow & green. This update appears on every page in my web with the includes in them.
(Actually the blue.htm page and page1.htm will need to be overwritten using the template.htm as they do not have the new include pages formatting since they were created in my web earlier) before making my layout & (template).
I may of totally confused you with my terminology, but maybe someone else out there will be 2 steps closer.
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RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/11/2003 20:39:36
A folder for includes.?.....sometimes I do , maybe I should all the time, depends on the web size.
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You mentioned pages with color , .....they were just names I made up.... and all those pages will have the nav, header & footer includes on them.
You already know how your web page will look in your minds eye.
Just start with a 4 page web. Leave the index page for now.
Make a header on header named page, make just a lonely navigation system (not hyperlinked yet) (any 10? or ? words in a column) on the nav.htm page
And make a footer on the footer.htm page
Then go to your index.htm page and drag all those pages into their rightful spots on your index page (ie include each one in various parts of the table).
Just start small
Better still, go to one of your existing websites & copy & paste your header to a new header page, navigation to a new navigation page & footer to a new footer page. Then recreate a new page & reconsturct your page by laying out those sections as ' includes'
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RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/12/2003 2:00:53
Tony:
Yes, in fact i printed it so that I would have it in hand. in fact I printed the whole tutorial and something that Thomas wrote as well, I believe that was on tables. Thanks. I' m hoping that with that and this informaiton that everyone posted in here that I get this soon.
EDW:
Thanks for the link. almost 2am, couldnt sleep. lol, my #2 son stopped over and I made coffee, ding!!! Now I' m strung out. I think that I am going to go and look at your link now, thanks for the posting!
<edit>EDW: Great link! Thanks, Mike54 has placed several great links in here! all the other information is great as well! I' m adding this to my word.doc on all of this!
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RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/13/2003 19:34:07
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Mike54 quoteCreate your menu include as a table and place your .gifs each in their own cell.
Hmmm, now I think that I am maybe starting to get this. lol, maybe i should get it before I ask this question.
In regards to the menu. If you make buttons, is it necessary to make a cell for each one? Or can it sit in one cell? Would a cell for each one make it easier to change it if I decide that I have to add another page with another name, therefore adding another button? hmmm. mind is a working here. lol, finally! roflol.
Mark54, I think that I might be on target? lol
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Now, if I want to have my navation backround a certain color and the header a certain color, how do I do this?As well as having the body of the page a certain color. Would I do just a basic backround? and then What is the size in pixels that I would make this in photoshop? How wide would I make the header? As I was working on this I would know the height by how I make it, just wondering what the " standard size" in width would be? Also for the navagation, how would I know how long to make it? Ahhh so many questions as I start to find the light bulb getting brighter! learn learn learn!!!! lol, also have several new books on the way!
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RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/13/2003 21:11:30
However you want!!
What ever works for you in the past.
There is nothing different about " includes" except those parts are on seperate pages.
I' d throw them in cells.
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RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/13/2003 21:44:43
Just as you would do it on a normal website.
You would add color to your table background, but in this case on each of your include page files.
As for pixel sizes, hmmmmm individual choice & depending on what you are doing....however you have done it in the past.
I have had to redo a few where I used an image as a " background" and with higher resolutions, it tiled.
Where possible place your image in a background of the same color, so the table expands with the viewers screen & your image is still central.
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RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/13/2003 21:49:13
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You would add color to your table background, but in this case on each of your include page files.
OK, Now just as I think that I have it.
So on navagation page, I add the color to that page and when I place that into the page it automatically places the color as well?
Also, tried to place an image for a tile effect in the header, but it didnt tile, any suggestions?
I have some more questions, but will hold off for now on the others, grin. I' m still trying to work out some things before I ask them.
Thanks gary, I appreciat the help that you have been.
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RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/13/2003 22:31:18
On your navigation page I would probably have the buttons/text in a table and would put a rinse through that table.
To tile , you need to go to table properties and insert image as a background. (On your header page)
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RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/14/2003 11:48:06
Hi Gary, I' m working right now but had to check in to see if there was a reply. I' ve got most of the includes grin, long time coming!! so there is a 1/2 of a yahooo! lol.
Will be back on this later on,
thanks.
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RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/14/2003 17:05:43
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Ensure your header images etc are in a table on the header.htm page
Ok, this is what I did, and am runing into trouble here. I thought that I had done this correctly, but it still didn' t work out.
On the header.htm page. I put a table and inserted the backround tile that I wanted to use.
Next step, right?, would be go to the page1.htm top table (I have the 3 tables stacked as you have drawn them, so I was getting the hang of it!) When I click in the top table on the index.htm page go to includes and insert the header.htm include, I get an additional table at the top of the page. It is placing table and the tiled image in the table! Now if I try to cut the extra table, my included item also leaves? Tell me oh wise one, what am I dong wrong?
Darn, and I have to go to the office tonight to pull some followups on some medical billings. So most likely I' ll be going crazy until I can get back on here to see what I am doign wrong! growl.
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RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/14/2003 18:32:41
More than likely the modification needs to happen on your header.htm page.
Remove those extra " enter" spaces as this determines the size of the include page.
Whatever you see (invisible spacers & extra tables & all) on the " include" pages is what will zap into the index.htm when " included"
Go to the spot above your table/image on the header.htm page and try a " delete" to bring the image/table to the top of the page. Also go to just below the table/image & hit delete a few times. Hopefully when you look at the index.htm page now.......the header should be where you want it.
Also make sure your table (on the main index.htm page) is only 1 space??row??? high, so the " include" fits in snugly.
Just like when you add a graphic to a table, you make sure there are no extra tabs/spaces & the graphic is trimmed to how you want it.
In reality " includes" are just like adding special graphics (as you do using the INSERT image function) that can be easily modified to suit our changing requirements. With those " graphics" being certain pages in our web.
(My terminoligy may have people wincing in pain)
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RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/14/2003 23:16:57
Could be time to publish to web & have a pick through it
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. I wasn' t saying to get a template but rather to create a " template" page. That will save having to recreate the layout every time you do make a new page. 
