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c1sissy Posts: 5079 Joined: 7/20/2002 From: NJ Status: offline	RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/15/2003 8:17:31 _____________________________ Deb-aka-c4Ksissy high panjandurum and alpha female of the silverback tribe As decreed by Jesper 5-24-2003. The only stupid question is... the one that is never asked!! http://directory.css-styling.com http://fmsforum.com http://positioniseverything.net/ http://www.tanfa.co.uk/ (in reply to garry)


erinatkins Posts: 3072 From: Mechanicsville VA USA Status: offline	RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/15/2003 8:54:56 If we see it - we might be able to see the problem. This is a good thing. _____________________________ All Hail Great Spooky - Master of the Outfront Forums. He can make you or break you. (in reply to c1sissy)


c1sissy Posts: 5079 Joined: 7/20/2002 From: NJ Status: offline	RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/15/2003 10:07:28 What I don' t get is, I followed what gary said again, about deleting white space. Now, I hope that I did this correctly. I clicked in the header went to insert includes then to the header page. There on the header page I have a table sitting that is the exact size of the one on the page I was trying to insert this. click insert ok, you know the deal. Ok, now it is on the page, I click delete, the extra space in the table disappears, and I get all excited, prematurely of course. It didn' t update the rest of my pages! I hit refresh etc... nothing worked to install this " include" on the other pages that I wanted it included on.. So just to make sure that the includes were working I changed a letter in my navagation, lol, just so happens I had an error that needed fixing. That all updated on the other pages. So some of this is working, but the rest of it isn' t clicking into place! _____________________________ Deb-aka-c4Ksissy high panjandurum and alpha female of the silverback tribe As decreed by Jesper 5-24-2003. The only stupid question is... the one that is never asked!! http://directory.css-styling.com http://fmsforum.com http://positioniseverything.net/ http://www.tanfa.co.uk/ (in reply to erinatkins)


erinatkins Posts: 3072 From: Mechanicsville VA USA Status: offline	RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/15/2003 10:55:22 Debbie, I made a simple mock up at here You can look at the source to see what I did. You can look at each page & source at each. Hope this helps. Erin _____________________________ All Hail Great Spooky - Master of the Outfront Forums. He can make you or break you. (in reply to c1sissy)


c1sissy Posts: 5079 Joined: 7/20/2002 From: NJ Status: offline	RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/15/2003 18:57:27 Erin: thanks I' ll check it out later on. Just jumping in to see what is new. Very long day. That dentist appt with the kids, ended up being 3 hours long!! very tired tonight! I' m going to upload this tomorrow to a site so that it can be checked to see what it is that I am doign wrong with the header thing that isn' t working. thanks for doing that for me eirn, did take a quick look. < Message edited by c1sissy -- 5/15/2003 6:59 PM > _____________________________ Deb-aka-c4Ksissy high panjandurum and alpha female of the silverback tribe As decreed by Jesper 5-24-2003. The only stupid question is... the one that is never asked!! http://directory.css-styling.com http://fmsforum.com http://positioniseverything.net/ http://www.tanfa.co.uk/ (in reply to c1sissy)


c1sissy Posts: 5079 Joined: 7/20/2002 From: NJ Status: offline	RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/16/2003 7:04:34 here is the site that it is published on. http://www.angelfire.com/biz7/m5om/index.html Just the basics are here. email me privately for the username and password for this so that you can see the whole site. thanks. <edit>????Now I' m totally lost. Decided to give the navation a try to see if I changed it if it would update in all the pages. Made a table giving each navagation its own cell, gave it a colored backround, THIS updated?! Why won' t the header update? < Message edited by c1sissy -- 5/16/2003 7:26 AM > _____________________________ Deb-aka-c4Ksissy high panjandurum and alpha female of the silverback tribe As decreed by Jesper 5-24-2003. The only stupid question is... the one that is never asked!! http://directory.css-styling.com http://fmsforum.com http://positioniseverything.net/ http://www.tanfa.co.uk/ (in reply to c1sissy)


abbeyvet Posts: 5095 From: Kilkenny Ireland Status: offline	RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/16/2003 7:26:31 First just a quick warning for anyone going to that page - it initiated an install fo Internet Washer, without my permission. Zone Alarm stopped it - but just be careful! Your includes seem to be working fine there though. _____________________________ Katherine :: InKK Design :: InKK Domains (in reply to c1sissy)


c1sissy Posts: 5079 Joined: 7/20/2002 From: NJ Status: offline	RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/16/2003 7:38:15 abbeyvet, I' m sorry, I did' nt know that would happen. I' ll find another site to host this one at. I have had this happen to me before at different sites. _____________________________ Deb-aka-c4Ksissy high panjandurum and alpha female of the silverback tribe As decreed by Jesper 5-24-2003. The only stupid question is... the one that is never asked!! http://directory.css-styling.com http://fmsforum.com http://positioniseverything.net/ http://www.tanfa.co.uk/ (in reply to abbeyvet)


abbeyvet Posts: 5095 From: Kilkenny Ireland Status: offline	RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/16/2003 7:50:14 It' s not your fault Deb - I just wanted to alert people. Sometimes Angelfire and others stick in rotten stuff. _____________________________ Katherine :: InKK Design :: InKK Domains (in reply to c1sissy)


c1sissy Posts: 5079 Joined: 7/20/2002 From: NJ Status: offline	RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/16/2003 8:11:11 Thanks, I would hate to see anything download due to people trying to help me. _____________________________ Deb-aka-c4Ksissy high panjandurum and alpha female of the silverback tribe As decreed by Jesper 5-24-2003. The only stupid question is... the one that is never asked!! http://directory.css-styling.com http://fmsforum.com http://positioniseverything.net/ http://www.tanfa.co.uk/ (in reply to abbeyvet)


erinatkins Posts: 3072 From: Mechanicsville VA USA Status: offline	RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/16/2003 8:33:40 quote: it initiated an install fo Internet Washer, without my permission. Zone Alarm stopped it - but just be careful! - I agree about that being a pitfall of some hosting companies. However in your coding I do not see where you have included the header. I see where you added navigation & contact. This might be the problem. I was not getting a header in top cell earlier - seems to have hearts now. < Message edited by erinatkins -- 5/16/2003 8:49 AM > _____________________________ All Hail Great Spooky - Master of the Outfront Forums. He can make you or break you. (in reply to c1sissy)


c1sissy Posts: 5079 Joined: 7/20/2002 From: NJ Status: offline	RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/16/2003 8:58:08 I' m going to uploade the new files that I have. brb. <edit> try it now. the include that I did for the header isn' t even showing up. but what I did to the footer and to the navagation is showing up? < Message edited by c1sissy -- 5/16/2003 9:04 AM > _____________________________ Deb-aka-c4Ksissy high panjandurum and alpha female of the silverback tribe As decreed by Jesper 5-24-2003. The only stupid question is... the one that is never asked!! http://directory.css-styling.com http://fmsforum.com http://positioniseverything.net/ http://www.tanfa.co.uk/ (in reply to erinatkins)


erinatkins Posts: 3072 From: Mechanicsville VA USA Status: offline	RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/16/2003 9:21:31 Debbie, I will email you screen shot. Looks like you are getting the hang of it. Attachment (1) < Message edited by erinatkins -- 5/16/2003 9:23 AM > _____________________________ All Hail Great Spooky - Master of the Outfront Forums. He can make you or break you. (in reply to c1sissy)


c1sissy Posts: 5079 Joined: 7/20/2002 From: NJ Status: offline	RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/16/2003 9:38:33 Erin, saw the screen shot, but it isn' t different from the site? or am I missing something? duh? What I don' t understand is that I did the header the same as the footer and the navagation, BUT the header isn' t showing up in the rest of the pages, only in the one that I include it on. why? also it was added to the page that is up right now, but you can' t see the color on there. It was added. _____________________________ Deb-aka-c4Ksissy high panjandurum and alpha female of the silverback tribe As decreed by Jesper 5-24-2003. The only stupid question is... the one that is never asked!! http://directory.css-styling.com http://fmsforum.com http://positioniseverything.net/ http://www.tanfa.co.uk/ (in reply to c1sissy)


erinatkins Posts: 3072 From: Mechanicsville VA USA Status: offline	RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/16/2003 9:47:23 Debbie, I had no clue what you were seeing so I ent what I was seeing. What did you name your top include? This way I can see if it is in source. Erin _____________________________ All Hail Great Spooky - Master of the Outfront Forums. He can make you or break you. (in reply to c1sissy)


c1sissy Posts: 5079 Joined: 7/20/2002 From: NJ Status: offline	RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/16/2003 10:04:58 sent you the log in information, this way you can see everything. Mabye it is something that I still havne' t gotten as of yet. _____________________________ Deb-aka-c4Ksissy high panjandurum and alpha female of the silverback tribe As decreed by Jesper 5-24-2003. The only stupid question is... the one that is never asked!! http://directory.css-styling.com http://fmsforum.com http://positioniseverything.net/ http://www.tanfa.co.uk/ (in reply to erinatkins)


c1sissy Posts: 5079 Joined: 7/20/2002 From: NJ Status: offline	RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/16/2003 12:09:42 Ok here is what is happening. This is so weird. On my computer I have tried to include the header page, which is just a table with blue color in it for now. Just to give me a feel for all of this. I would do things differently later. Now, When I go to the include folder to add it, it won' t add in. yet when you view the code, it says that it is in there. So load it up to the site that is above. Even though it is added in, it doesn' t show up in the code. so what I do is try to insert the include via working on the site from the web. Well it did go into the header, but.....only on 3 pages?! Erin and I have been going over this all morning. Feel free Erin to add your comments, please! _____________________________ Deb-aka-c4Ksissy high panjandurum and alpha female of the silverback tribe As decreed by Jesper 5-24-2003. The only stupid question is... the one that is never asked!! http://directory.css-styling.com http://fmsforum.com http://positioniseverything.net/ http://www.tanfa.co.uk/ (in reply to c1sissy)


erinatkins Posts: 3072 From: Mechanicsville VA USA Status: offline	RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/16/2003 12:30:08 It is weird - real weird. I have suggested adding code in control panel - because that should fix it. I can copy basics & make it work on my machine & live - so I am perplexed. Not sure if related to hosting & code they add to site. PS - 1:10 PM Debbie, I think you have it now - blue header is showing now. Erin < Message edited by erinatkins -- 5/16/2003 1:14 PM > _____________________________ All Hail Great Spooky - Master of the Outfront Forums. He can make you or break you. (in reply to c1sissy)


c1sissy Posts: 5079 Joined: 7/20/2002 From: NJ Status: offline	RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/16/2003 13:22:19 Thanks Erin, saw that it is, but still have the problem of why it ins' t working on my machine. I can include it on one page and one page only. I don' t understand what is up. The nagagation worked, but the header isn' t working. I even tried deleteing the header include page and making a new one, but still doesn' t work. _____________________________ Deb-aka-c4Ksissy high panjandurum and alpha female of the silverback tribe As decreed by Jesper 5-24-2003. The only stupid question is... the one that is never asked!! http://directory.css-styling.com http://fmsforum.com http://positioniseverything.net/ http://www.tanfa.co.uk/ (in reply to erinatkins)


gorilla Posts: 2974 From: Denmark Status: offline	RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/17/2003 7:41:54 Hej C1sissy I take over from Jesper for this Saturday and Sunday he showed me this posting so therefore I will try quote: ORIGINAL: c1sissy Thanks Erin, saw that it is, but still have the problem of why it ins' t working on my machine. I can include it on one page and one page only. I don' t understand what is up. The nagagation worked, but the header isn' t working. I even tried deleteing the header include page and making a new one, but still doesn' t work. I think the reason why you cannot see it on your machine is that it has to be actually on a machine with Frontpage extensions. I am completely not an expert in Frontpage because I prefer to use other tools but maybe this posting is what you need? http://www.frontpagewebmaster.com/tm.asp?m=96938 Med venlig hilsen Jens Fuglsang Foreningen Bag Gorilla K�benhavn Maj 17 2003 Post Scriptum 1: I do not know which version of windows you are using but some versions of windows have a thing called the personal web server and you can get the frontpage extensions for it. But you can also get " proper" webserver software that will run on almost anything and is free: I think you might like to go to: http://www.serverwatch.com/sitemap/ From there you can navigate to read reviews of gratis web servers and maybe you can feel brave and even download and install one? Another very good place is www.nonags.com they have a category called " server daemon" you can download from them direct OR jump to the homepage fo the software. Postscriptum 2: I looked very quickly in serverwatch the only free one I could find (but I took less than 5 minutes to do it!) that the review said it had frontpage extensions was the roxen server. I know that Mhaircaish uses both xitami and simple server. Maybe for you? Post Scriptum3: IF you are interested in learning about how to do include pages that do NOT rely on frontpage extensions THEN This place has good and very easy to understand information: www.bignosebird.com The include page lesson is here: http://www.bignosebird.com/ssi.shtml ELSE Take a deep breath mutter something naughty under your breath and keep on trying and getting information here. MVH JF. Postscriptum 4: What a nice place it is here I am very impressed and have noted it for Frontpage questions. < Message edited by gorilla -- 5/17/2003 7:53 AM > (in reply to c1sissy)


gorilla Posts: 2974 From: Denmark Status: offline	RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/17/2003 8:01:42 Post Scriptum 5! I looked very quickly at the code on that site (only about maybe two minutes so someone else should look also) : <table border=" 1" cellpadding=" 0" cellspacing=" 0" style=" border-collapse: collapse" bordercolor=" #111111" id=" AutoNumber1" width=" 100%" > <tr> <td width=" 100%" > <!--webbot bot=" Include" U-Include=" inculdes_fldr/header.htm" TAG=" BODY" startspan --> Surely the red bit is incorrect? There is not Frontpage on this machine so I cannot check it. The path looks wrong to me should it not read includes? Also I could not see the closing of the <td> MVH J < Message edited by gorilla -- 5/17/2003 8:21 AM > (in reply to c1sissy)

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RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/17/2003 8:17:00

Post Scriptum 6:

#include stdio.h
#wantcoffeeandsomenicethingsfromthebakery.h
#include sniffsniff.h
#include thunderofrunningfeet.h
#include dissapearingincloudofcoffeescentedsmoke.h
#exit.h

====================================

sniffsniff
   smellofcoffee=1
      soundofpaperbagcontainingsomethingnicefrombakerybeingopened=1
                                                                                                                  exit

Result of above code:

*POOF*

< Message edited by gorilla -- 5/17/2003 8:34 AM >

(in reply to c1sissy)


_gail Posts: 2874 From: So FL Status: offline	RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/17/2003 9:07:50 Haven' t been able to follow this thread Deb but note there are 51 replies already so I suppose you' re struggling with something. I feel your pain. Anywho, here' s something in to cheer you up while you' re learning. It' s not a spider. Hint: search the forum a bit to find out what it is. Have a nice day. gail Attachment (1) _____________________________ Digicamhelp - Easiest place on the web to learn about Digit@l Cameras & Photography (in reply to c1sissy)


c1sissy Posts: 5079 Joined: 7/20/2002 From: NJ Status: offline	RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/17/2003 9:54:24 roflol!! Ahhh, she gives me a bit of fun to ease the tensions of learning includes! Now, how do you search a picture on the forum? roflol!!!!!! _____________________________ Deb-aka-c4Ksissy high panjandurum and alpha female of the silverback tribe As decreed by Jesper 5-24-2003. The only stupid question is... the one that is never asked!! http://directory.css-styling.com http://fmsforum.com http://positioniseverything.net/ http://www.tanfa.co.uk/ (in reply to _gail)


c1sissy Posts: 5079 Joined: 7/20/2002 From: NJ Status: offline	RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/17/2003 10:47:31 Jens: Thanks sooo much for your information! I just now noticed it, forgive me not noticing it sooner! Anyhow, good thing that I didn' t or I wouldnt have kept trying to figure out what was happening. I knew that it was something that I was doing wrong, and that was why things weren' t going correctly! Anyhow, I know I' ll be corrected if I am wrong. But what I did was I created the pages one at a time with the tables on them, and then tried to do the includes on each one. When I should have been copying the done page which would be page 1, then copying the information that was on that one?, and making the new pages from that page. So, I' ll anxiously be awaiting to see if I have FINALLY FIGURED THIS OUT!! Gail roflol!!!!!!! That is definatly one thing that I wouldn' t want crawling on my head! Totally looks like a spider! LOL,LOL,LOL!!!!!! _____________________________ Deb-aka-c4Ksissy high panjandurum and alpha female of the silverback tribe As decreed by Jesper 5-24-2003. The only stupid question is... the one that is never asked!! http://directory.css-styling.com http://fmsforum.com http://positioniseverything.net/ http://www.tanfa.co.uk/ (in reply to c1sissy)


gorilla Posts: 2974 From: Denmark Status: offline	RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/18/2003 10:53:23 Hej! Ummm I do not know. I am not a Frontpage expert as I said above. Saving the same page with different desired names or creating new pages and pasting the desired code in html view might do it. - I mean that I cannot see why not but Fronpage I found does funny things sometimes..... A thought: Can you not make sure that one page works and then save it as a template? Might that do it. Whatever you do you do still need to check that the path to the includes folder and that all and do mean ALL your table code is ended properly. I think that the missing </td> (if it is really missing) might be messing thing for you also. Mhaircaish told me about this the free software from this place: http://www.tafweb.com/ quite some time ago. I have used their software especially webspeed ever since whenever I am using Windows machines to write code, which I admit is quite rare as I work in a completely non-windows environment. I think you might like to download webspeed and the tagchecker as some versions of Frontpage were famous or maybe I mean notorious for sometimes " forgetting" to end elements correctly and that can give many problems in different browsers. http://www.tafweb.com/tagcheck.html it is worth getting for anyone I think. Glad you found the information. All of the sites are ones with good and gratis stuff. Good luck. Med venlig hilsen Jens Fuglsang Foreningen Bag Gorilla K�benhavn Maj 18 2003 (in reply to c1sissy)


c1sissy Posts: 5079 Joined: 7/20/2002 From: NJ Status: offline	RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/18/2003 11:40:32 Jens: Thanks so much for the information. I went to the site and checked it out. I' ll go back later and download the things that are there. appreciate the help and the information! _____________________________ Deb-aka-c4Ksissy high panjandurum and alpha female of the silverback tribe As decreed by Jesper 5-24-2003. The only stupid question is... the one that is never asked!! http://directory.css-styling.com http://fmsforum.com http://positioniseverything.net/ http://www.tanfa.co.uk/ (in reply to gorilla)


erinatkins Posts: 3072 From: Mechanicsville VA USA Status: offline	RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/18/2003 19:32:24 Gone 2 days & we add bugs to the thread? Yes what you want to do will work I think (hope) _____________________________ All Hail Great Spooky - Master of the Outfront Forums. He can make you or break you. (in reply to c1sissy)


c1sissy Posts: 5079 Joined: 7/20/2002 From: NJ Status: offline	RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/18/2003 21:10:24 Erin: I' m still not sure if this is what I was supposed to do, but did notice that there is a folder for the new page which I named template. So confused, but think I have the basic approcah. Hopin that someone will come along and let me know if I am on the right track? grin. At least now when I update soemthing in the includes folder, all the pages update! < Message edited by c1sissy -- 5/18/2003 9:11 PM > _____________________________ Deb-aka-c4Ksissy high panjandurum and alpha female of the silverback tribe As decreed by Jesper 5-24-2003. The only stupid question is... the one that is never asked!! http://directory.css-styling.com http://fmsforum.com http://positioniseverything.net/ http://www.tanfa.co.uk/ (in reply to erinatkins)


garry Posts: 858 From: Northern Territory Outback Australia Status: offline	RE: I HATE INCLUDES!!!!! - 5/19/2003 1:09:26 Hi Deb When you say all the pages update......which ones?? as the navigation column has no pages hyperlinked. I will assume your page is correct.......looks OK in the code.I have not got FP to copy & paste at the moment. Now this is where the " template " comes into it. Get ready & hang on !!! All the hard work has been done........Open your page (the one published) and " save as" FAQ.htm and save as again a second time as " about_us.htm. So now you have those extra pages in your web. Go into your include folder look for naviagtion.htm and hyperlink those 2 pages to the names (FAQ & About us) Go to page " about us" and throw in some content & do same for FAQ (other written stuff) Then view in the browser...............you should then see the beauty of the includes at work with just the content on your pages changing as you flick through. Add a graphic to your header and see it propigate throughout your site. That Angelfire sure throws in some extra code!!!!!!!!!!! (in reply to c1sissy)

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