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caywind -> Looking for ideas from the UK (5/28/2003 19:09:45)

I have been asked by a client for ideas about marketing a niche product (horses) in England. Since I am US based I don' t know if there is anything different that UK webmasters do than what I do. I suggested that he look into purchasing a listing in Lycos, but after that I am at a loss...

any suggestions????



garry -> RE: Looking for ideas from the UK (5/28/2003 20:00:02)

One minor suggestion for direct marketing in the UK would be to host in the UK.
If you notice in Google , you can search the web or just your country.

I was devestated to find I could not locate my site on the Outback when using the " search in Australia" button, because my sites are hosted in the USA.
But I was #1 & 2 for a world search for many months.



Andy from Spain -> RE: Looking for ideas from the UK (5/29/2003 5:17:50)

Hi

I' m not so sure it' s a hosting issue, but why not register a .co.uk name - we did that and set up a new site with some success. You might also want to look at UK Overture - sponsored lsitings are generally a lot cheaper than the international counterpart and you get on a lot of UK sites - the same may well be true of Google UK ad words but I haven' t looked into it.

Cheers
Andy



caywind -> RE: Looking for ideas from the UK (5/29/2003 17:17:56)

good good... I' m on it. Thanks much!



wattle -> RE: Looking for ideas from the UK (5/29/2003 20:29:33)

Hi Caywind, one suggestion (a tiny, trivial one at that...). Make sure that the spelling, and spell check, is British english. I' m sure the client will provide content anyway so it' s just a thought. I always do ' world' searches using American english and then again using British english so I cover all options. If I am just searching locally I use British english..

Wattle



caywind -> RE: Looking for ideas from the UK (5/30/2003 15:41:13)

wattle, could be in trouble on that one.

1. The site owners and providers of content are genuine cowboys from Texas, and you can hear the accent in every sentence.

2. When you say " British english" do you mean a very formal, proper, english or is there another english that I am completely ignorant of.

note: I am from California and many people from the USA don' t understand what we' re saying....



Gil -> RE: Looking for ideas from the UK (5/30/2003 15:50:48)

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I am from California and many people from the USA don' t understand what we' re saying..


LOL

I have a good friend from Boston and I can not understand about half what he says.....



abbeyvet -> RE: Looking for ideas from the UK (5/30/2003 17:22:33)

American English and British English. Now there is a topic!

Basically British English is the form of English used pretty much everywhere except the US.

There are significant spelling differences -

color/colour
flavor/flavour
those sort of words always end in -our: flavour, rancour,
center/centre,
defense/defence
inquiry/enquiry
organize/organise
again those words always end in -ise: recognise, realise, merchandise
check/cheque
enrol/enroll
gray/grey
sulfur/sulphur

We also have a lot of words for things that are simply different:

sidewalk/pavement
trunk/boot
chips/fries
elevator/lift
line/queue
diaper/nappy
faucet/tap
gas/petrol
apartment/flat
bathroom/loo
jelly/jam
vacation/holiday

" Waiter, bring the check!" /" Waiter, bring the bill!"

When Gail was here it was something we talked (and laughed!) about a lot.

The interesting thing was that although there were frequently expressions she did not quite understand there were more or less never any that caught me. We over here, and everywhere that English is spoken, are so accustomed to reading US material, hearing US English on TV and in Movies and so on that we all speak, and if required can write, ' US English' .

The reverse though is not true. I have lost count of the number of helpful people, many from Outfront, who have contacted me to tell me that some word or other was incorrectly spelled on my website, when in fact is was just not US English.



Eli -> RE: Looking for ideas from the UK (5/30/2003 18:47:11)

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ORIGINAL: abbeyvet
The reverse though is not true. I have lost count of the number of helpful people, many from Outfront, who have contacted me to tell me that some word or other was incorrectly spelled on my website, when in fact is was just not US English.


LOL - thats funny!!!

you forgot a VERy important one:

pants/trousers
underwear/pants


DON' T GET THESE CONFUSED!!! I was once told that I have some very nice pants by an American. I didn' t take offense but was quite amused for a long time!



Donkey -> RE: Looking for ideas from the UK (6/4/2003 15:00:19)

I have often wondered why we say " British English" ! It' s English. What you guys across the water speak is an evolved version of the original language and should (IMHO) be called " American" .

On the plus side you tend to spell things more sensibly, but you do call a tramp a bum and a bum a butt?

It appears that the rate at which the " American" language is diverging from English is escalating - occaisionally I watch the Jerry Springer show and for a while I was surprised that the audience were chanting the name of a gardening tool, or perhaps they were trying to syncronise their laughter... then I realised that they were tormenting ladies of loose virtue, and that the word hoe (or ho - I' m not sure how you spell it) is presumably a corruption of the word whore.

At this rate in 50 years they will need translators.[:D]



Niel -> RE: Looking for ideas from the UK (6/4/2003 18:17:33)

If your client is going to be selling into the UK (or anywhere in Europe) off a website you might want to have a look at The Consumer Protection (Distance Selling) Regulations 2000
http://www.hmso.gov.uk/si/si2000/20002334.htm



SteveWR -> RE: Looking for ideas from the UK (6/5/2003 5:58:28)

If they want to take deposits over the net then you could consider using Worldpay as a payment gateway. You could take payment in £ Sterling and paid over as $.

Worldpay are based in Cambridge UK and now owned 100% by the Royal Bank of Scotland, which is now meant to be 2nd biggest in Europe (not sure I believe that) but obviously well trusted in the UK. I' ve used them and you can do slick integration to your site.

Just a thought.

UK / US English .. and that' s just the written word, what about spoken English ...

Shouted out by a market stall holder in London' s East End ... " panniersanarat" say it as one word word quickly.


Translation " a pound for your santa hat" .

Regards



Vince from Spain -> RE: Looking for ideas from the UK (6/5/2003 9:55:44)

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I have often wondered why we say " British English" ! It' s English. What you guys across the water speak is an evolved version of the original language and should (IMHO) be called " American" .


As it happens, I was reading an interesting article a couple of weeks ago about how a lot of the words we now regard as " American" English were in fact in common use in Shakespeare' s time. What happened was that the UK evolved and the US took a " snapshot" of the language. I' ll see if I can dig it out.

My big " oops" when I was working a computer trade show in San Francisco was asking the security guard on the door if he could hold it while I popped out for a quick fag.
Really, it' s quite an innocent statement in the UK.
I think he just said " Have a nice day" .

Vince



Andy from Spain -> RE: Looking for ideas from the UK (6/5/2003 9:59:35)

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was asking the security guard on the door if he could hold it while I popped out


...and did he hold it? [;)]

Cheers
Andy



LB -> RE: Looking for ideas from the UK (6/5/2003 10:26:50)

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My big " oops" when I was working a computer trade show in San Francisco was asking the security guard on the door if he could hold it while I popped out for a quick fag.
Really, it' s quite an innocent statement in the UK.


ROFLMOA [:D][:)][:D] ...oh my!



Vince from Spain -> RE: Looking for ideas from the UK (6/5/2003 13:35:12)

quote:

As it happens, I was reading an interesting article a couple of weeks ago about how a lot of the words we now regard as " American" English were in fact in common use in Shakespeare' s time. What happened was that the UK evolved and the US took a " snapshot" of the language. I' ll see if I can dig it out.


Here' s a page that seems to say something along the same lines . . .
http://www.wordorigins.org/histeng.htm

It' s an interesting read anyway.

Vince



enrightd -> RE: Looking for ideas from the UK (6/5/2003 15:54:56)

Thanks Vince from Spain:

I read the whole thing. Very educational.



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