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Can' t Understand Why Site Is So Different in Netscape! - 6/3/2003 18:12:16
Boy, this is really frustrating. My entire site works beautifully in IE. I try to view and use it in Netscrap (sp.) and everything goes awry. In Netscape:
--it loads slower
--Frontpage borders which fit tightly around the perimeter of my cells in IE are missized
--line spacing is out of control (bullets, for expample, are twice as far apart)
--after submitting some of my forms, Netscape locks up when I click the BACK button that I created on my confirmation page. Actually, it seems to lock up the entire computer (and I have tried this on 2 computers).
--I have an Add to Cart button on my product pages that doesn' t even show up in Netscape--unbelievable!
Why can' t the whole world just use IE? How many people actually use Netscape?
Has anyone else experienced such? I expected that there would need to be some modifications for Netscape, but this is overwhelming. Thanks for any suggestions.
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RE: Can' t Understand Why Site Is So Different in Netsc... - 6/3/2003 18:31:50
Only 3% of the market uses Netscape, so i wouldn' t worry to much about your pages being off for the rest of the world.
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RE: Can' t Understand Why Site Is So Different in Netsc... - 6/3/2003 18:47:41
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How many people actually use Netscape
Depends. I find out in the " real world" very few, maybe 5 - 10% I work with a lot of Community Colleges and Universitys and find well over 50% use NN there.
One thing to keep in mind; Netscape parses valid html fine, it ' s the MS stuff that it doesn' t like. Test your site in NN and if it works there there' s a pretty good chance it' s valid.
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RE: Can' t Understand Why Site Is So Different in Netsc... - 6/3/2003 19:33:12
Do you know of a way to test my HTML to see what NN is interpreting as invalid? Since part of the problem is with my forms, I was thinking about doing the Spooky diet and seeing if that changed anything. But the line spacing is killing me. It looks horrible.
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RE: Can' t Understand Why Site Is So Different in Netsc... - 6/3/2003 19:49:45
Go into your HTML section of FP and copy and then paste it onto notepad, then save as .htm and open in NN. thats the only way that i can think of.
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RE: Can' t Understand Why Site Is So Different in Netsc... - 6/3/2003 21:50:57
Thanks, Gil. To test it out, I ran a validation on my homepage, and it doesn' t look pretty. However, some of the comments made didn' t appear accurate. For example, it said once that <tr> wasn' t a valid tag at one point. It was. There was a close tag for the previous row and this began the next. It also had a closing tag. Very strange. Anyway, I' m going to keep looking at this tonight. Oh, and you asked for the URL, so here it is:
www.darncoolstuff.com
Thanks,
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RE: Can' t Understand Why Site Is So Different in Netsc... - 6/4/2003 11:14:31
Gil and Gorilla, I have questions for both of you.
Gil: I sort of see what you mean about the table row/data size issue. I went in and corrected this on my PWS and will update the site tonight. Now, if I understand correctly, the width of the content of the cells in a row can be less than the total table width. Content often doesn' t fill cells. The concern is that the total width of the data in a cell not exceed the cell width and the total data width of the cells in a row not exceed the table width. Is that right?
Gorilla: Can I run Mozilla, Opera and the other browsers on one computer without any conflict problems? Also, are these free browsers that I can download?
Finally, it' s interesting to note that I ran my homepage through the validator you gave me, and it only came back with 3 tag errors that can easily be corrected. I wonder why there' s such a difference between that validator and the one Gil gave me. Just curious.
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RE: Can' t Understand Why Site Is So Different in Netsc... - 6/4/2003 11:24:17
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Now, if I understand correctly, the width of the content of the cells in a row can be less than the total table width. Content often doesn' t fill cells. The concern is that the total width of the data in a cell not exceed the cell width and the total data width of the cells in a row not exceed the table width. Is that right?
No, math is a fairly exact thing - the rows should add up to exactly the TR .
One thing a lot of people do is set all but one TD and let the other fill the area.
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<table width=" 100%" >
<tr>
<td width=" 100" >content</td>
<td width=" 500" >content</td>
<td>content</td>
</tr>
</table>
This way the left mosst cell will fill whatever is left over
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I wonder why there' s such a difference between that validator and the one Gil gave me. Just curious.
Well, since you are misssing the required DTD tag - the validator is guessing what to validate against. One might be using 4.0 strict and the other 4.0 transitional
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RE: Can' t Understand Why Site Is So Different in Netsc... - 6/4/2003 12:52:03
Oh boy, now I' m more confused than ever. Maybe this partially a jargon problem. When you say, " the TR," are you speaking of the row in a table? I am assuming that there are tables which consist of rows which contain data.
Next, in your HTML example, wouldn' t it be the rightmost cell that fills what' s left over. The 100 and 500 are used for widths in pixels and are thus fixed widths. Only the last cell (td) is undefined for width, so it would fill the remainder. Right?
Let me check my understanding: The width of a row, regardless of how many cells there are on that row, is defined by the width established in the table tag (<table width=" 770" >. Thus, each row of the table should equal exactly 770. The total widths of the cells (td) in a row must equal the width of the row as defined in the table tag. Right, I hope?
My question before about cell contents being less than the TR may have been a little unclear. I think I was confusing the width established by TD (<td width=" 770" >, for example) and the actual size of the contents of the TD. What I mean is that you can have an image in a cell that doesn' t occupy the entire cell. The same holds true with text. You could have a 770 row with only one cell (TD) whose contents could simply be the text " contents." This doesn' t fill the row. However, the td width would still be set to 770.
I know about the missing doctype tag. I thought 4.01 transitional was assumed without it. My bad. I plan to add the transitional tag to all pages this week.
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RE: Can' t Understand Why Site Is So Different in Netsc... - 6/4/2003 15:14:34
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When you say, " the TR," are you speaking of the row in a table?
Right: A table is <td>, a row is <tr. and a cell is <td>
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I am assuming that there are tables which consist of rows which contain data.
Nope, only cells <td> can contain data. A one cell table still has to have a table and a row tag set - like:
<table>
<tr>
<td>
Data here
</td>
</tr>
</table>
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Only the last cell (td) is undefined for width, so it would fill the remainder. Right?
Right!
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My question before about cell contents being less than the TR may have been a little unclear. I think I was confusing the width established by TD (<td width=" 770" >, for example) and the actual size of the contents of the TD. What I mean is that you can have an image in a cell that doesn' t occupy the entire cell. The same holds true with text. You could have a 770 row with only one cell (TD) whose contents could simply be the text " contents." This doesn' t fill the row. However, the td width would still be set to 770.
Right again.
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I know about the missing doctype tag. I thought 4.01 transitional was assumed without it.
Maybe, maybe not! Depends on the validator. After so long at this business I' ve learned not to assume anything...
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RE: Can' t Understand Why Site Is So Different in Netsc... - 6/5/2003 12:22:05
Thank you all so much. Gorilla, you said to " make sure that the URL is absolute and correct." What exactly do you mean? I am going to begin adding the DocTypes tonight to all my pages.
This is what I will be adding to the head tag of my pages, right?:
<!doctype html PUBLIC " -//W3C//DTD html 4.01 Transitional//EN" >
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RE: Can' t Understand Why Site Is So Different in Netsc... - 6/6/2003 11:51:41
Bear i mind too that while a validator will look for errors in HTML, it will not look for, or report on, errors such as table cells that do not add up correctly and so on.
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RE: Can' t Understand Why Site Is So Different in Netsc... - 8/25/2003 21:51:55
Surely there are some HTML validators out there that can correctly parse and validate a table! (If not, this is a good opportunity for one of us to write one, eh?)
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