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RE: Degrading Images in Image Composer

 
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abbeyvet

 

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  		RE: Degrading Images in Image Composer - 6/18/2003 17:28:24   
Here you go.


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abbeyvet

 

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  		RE: Degrading Images in Image Composer - 6/18/2003 17:32:51   
And one bit brighter - how come I cannot upload 2 in one post even though it asks if I want to?


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abbeyvet

 

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  		RE: Degrading Images in Image Composer - 6/18/2003 17:38:31   
As Gail has pointed out, this is not a contest. I just am sometimes a little peeved when someone who posts a question about an image or a graphics issue, and is using IC, they are told how to do it in some other package or advised which other one they should buy.

Unless they are doing VERY specialised work then chances are they already have a package that will do all they need.


I hope that is clear, class!! :):):)

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  		RE: Degrading Images in Image Composer - 6/18/2003 17:39:35   
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how come I cannot upload 2 in one post even though it asks if I want to?

Sometimes it asks me sometimes it doesn' t so I cheat. :):):) Even if it asks I think we' re limited to 50 k, so I cheat.:)

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  		RE: Degrading Images in Image Composer - 6/18/2003 17:42:45   
Go on, tell me how to cheat?????? :)

Ok forget it ---- I figured it out!! :)

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  		RE: Degrading Images in Image Composer - 6/18/2003 17:46:46   
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this is not a contest

LOL, I' m just playin' . I hadn' t ever tried to do a photo either ' til I saw _gails posted image.
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I hope that is clear, class!!

Yes ma' am!:):)

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  		RE: Degrading Images in Image Composer - 6/18/2003 18:03:22   
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I hope that is clear, class!!


YES, m' am. :):)

HOWEVER.....with regard to this:

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when someone who posts a question about an image or a graphics issue, and is using IC, they are told how to do it in some other package


Even though I may not have the same program as someone who posts a question, I don' t think it necessarily means that I can not be helpful by pointing out how to do something in the program I do use. Basic techniques such as adjusting brightness and contrast, selection, sharpening, hue and saturation, etc. are pretty much the same in all image editing programs. I' d prefer trying to provide help with illustrations using (in my case) Photoshop, than not offering help at all.

So, a very difficult photo was successfully tweaked in three different image editing programs: Paintshop Pro, Image Composer and Photoshop (mine below). Perhaps it would be helpful to others if each explain a bit how we did what we did?!

gail


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abbeyvet

 

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  		RE: Degrading Images in Image Composer - 6/18/2003 18:20:48   
Ok, this is what I did.

1. Used the color tuning tool > Highlights/shadows tab and lightened the dark and mid tones a little.

2. Used the cutout tool to cut out the bits of old stuff in the right foreground - set the cut out tool to have a slightly soft edge so that it would not be a very sharp cut out. This is pretty much like making a separate layer of it in Photoshop, I think.

3. Back to the color tuning tool and played with the contrast on that a bit. Then hit it with Effects>photgraphic>sharpen light.

4. Did much the same as 3 with the sign and the cart.

I was not really making a note of what I did - but I think that' s about it.

Flattened the lot into a new image.


Below for compatative purposes are a a few of the images, made small and compressed to hell, but possible useful.

I think we can conclude that it really depends, as so many things do, on being able to get the best out of the program you know best.


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  		RE: Degrading Images in Image Composer - 6/18/2003 18:43:53   
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1. Used the color tuning tool > Highlights/shadows tab and lightened the dark and mid tones a little.

In IC I didn' t go any further than Katherines step 1. :) I just played with the tuning...
hmmmnnn...
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In PSP I enhanced first, all 3 of the top 3 as my eye saw it... (I didn' t if it didn' t help)
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Then I adjusted the brightness...
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  		RE: Degrading Images in Image Composer - 6/18/2003 18:51:09   
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I think we can conclude that it really depends, as so many things do, on being able to get the best out of the program you know best.

Yes ma' am!:):):):)

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  		RE: Degrading Images in Image Composer - 6/18/2003 19:21:28   
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and compressed to hell,



Sheesh, you sure did. [:' (] And after all that time each of us took to get the right balance between sharpen and compression! :):) May I offer this:

http://www.gtbdesign.com/outfront/jcfs.htm

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  		RE: Degrading Images in Image Composer - 6/18/2003 20:00:17   
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I think we can conclude that it really depends, as so many things do, on being able to get the best out of the program you know best.

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Yes ma' am!


Yes m' am! :):):):)

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The photo is an exceptionally difficult one with which to work. It has a huge amount of varying texture and a lot of contrast. My technique was to select areas based on similarity of contrast and make adjustments to each separately. Here' s a summary of what I did.

I selected the brightest areas first with the magic wand. I increased hue and saturation and decreased brightness by just a bit. I did no sharpening to this selection.

Next I inversed the selection and increased brightness and contrast to the darker area. Then I unsharp masked the selected area.

I worked separately on the " history center" sign and the uppermost section of the rusted wheel in the foreground, adding and subtracting to the selected areas as needed taking care not to oversharpen.

I could have done much of this using adjustment layers but I chose not to for this exercise.

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  		RE: Degrading Images in Image Composer - 6/18/2003 22:33:14   
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Only thing is...... when you upgrade to XP all is lost, you will no longer be able to run it.


Are you sure about this? The graphic in my third post was created in IC running on an XP machine. I wonder if the reason is that I bought a new PC with XP already installed and then installed IC after???

I' m amazed at all the traffic my question generated. Especially grateful for the links provided by abbeyvet. I spent the rest of the afternoon experimenting and showing other web people some of the things that yes can be done in Image Composer.

Thanks for all the help. I rarely venture outside the ASP/Database Forum, but the trip was well worth it. :)

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  		RE: Degrading Images in Image Composer - 6/19/2003 4:54:55   
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The graphic in my third post was created in IC running on an XP machine


Say it is so!! Oh happy, happy day!!:)

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  		RE: Degrading Images in Image Composer - 6/19/2003 4:56:38   
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Only thing is...... when you upgrade to XP all is lost, you will no longer be able to run it.

I must have missed that comment.:) I presume that you mean Office XP? I' m running IC just fine on an " XP (OS) machine" .

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  		RE: Degrading Images in Image Composer - 6/19/2003 7:07:56   
I was told by an apparantly reliable source that IC would not run on XP - cannot remember the source, but I know I believed it.

It is in fact the main reason I was putting off upgrading to XP. I am truly delighted to learn that it is not the case.

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  		RE: Degrading Images in Image Composer - 6/20/2003 8:53:05   
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ORIGINAL: abbeyvet

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The graphic in my third post was created in IC running on an XP machine


Say it is so!! Oh happy, happy day!!:)



It is so. Or at least it is so for everyone I know who' s running IC under XP.


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ORIGINAL: abbeyvet

I was told by an apparantly reliable source that IC would not run on XP - cannot remember the source, but I know I believed it.

It is in fact the main reason I was putting off upgrading to XP. I am truly delighted to learn that it is not the case.


Have edited your post a little to highlight the key words. You know funny thing is that that rumour was going the rounds for a while over here too .... I' d love to get my paws on whoever it was that started it......

IMO IC is an excellent program.


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