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FrontPage 2003 - Will you?
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| Yes, Ill upgrade when it comes out |
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| I think Ill stick with FP2002 |
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| I think Ill stick with FP2000 |
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| I think Ill stick with FP98 |
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| I think Ill stick with FP97 |
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| FrontPage? Whats that? |
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(last vote on : 6/29/2007 18:30:56)
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RE: FrontPage 2003 - Will you? - 8/7/2003 1:41:13
I' m looking for a good portal to customize. I got a project coming up where I would love the source code.
I' m not a coder by trade. (in fact, it' s one of my least favorite things to do) but we go there. Got coders on staff. Leaves me alone with the pretty pictures.
Please, let me know when the code you out.
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RE: FrontPage 2003 - Will you? - 8/7/2003 7:48:18
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(please, please, please check your responses and do some homework, hands down, the most secure hosting - as long as your with a hosting company that remembers to apply patches)
I' ll not respond the rest of your post Robert - But the statement above is just plain false! A FREEBSD Server running Apache (w/ all the patches) or a Solaris sever running Sun1 is a LOT more secure than any server MS has even dreamed about....
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rumblepup
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RE: FrontPage 2003 - Will you? - 8/7/2003 9:32:29
Awwwhh Gil,
You make me feel bad.
You know, it' s probably wrong on my part to make such an incredibly bold and quick statement (which you know very well, I' m getting infamous for;),) but I' m referring to Eweek' s 2002 Open Hack 4.
Two systems, one on 2000 hosting, written in ASP.NET. And the other , Oracle app with all the trimminings.
The MS app had approxiametly 53,000 attacks . Not one hack. Nobody got in.
The Oracle app did get hacked. Once.
But don' t listen to me, LINKS! hee-hee.
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,741388,00.asp
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Gil
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RE: FrontPage 2003 - Will you? - 8/7/2003 10:03:38
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Oracle
Well, DUH! Oracle is no better than MS - IMO...
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awasson
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RE: FrontPage 2003 - Will you? - 8/7/2003 18:14:17
Wow... Hot topic!!
I haven' t had a read of this one for a few days so I just refreshed myself and it looks like it got hot right about the time the Macromedia gauntlet was dropped.
Amongst other things I use Dreamweaver MX and have since Version 2. MX is like version 6 and Version 4 - UltraDev was kinda like 5.
I also use FrontPage 2000 all the time. It' s like that great tool you' ve got that was made for one thing and you find out it' s really great for strange little tweaky other things, or... You want to give your client a content management system for their 8 page website without having to charge them for a database managed system.
I remember about 4 years ago I was asked to look at a list of sites by a prospective client who said he really liked these sites. There was one site in particular for a jewelry company and it was amazing. It was data driven and looked like a million bucks. I had a look at the source and it was full of bots and FP meta tags. That' s when I realized that FrontPage deserved some consideration.
IMO Styling text is much easier in FrontPage than any of the version of dreamweaver. So I usually build a stylesheet, and link it to the site then use the dropdown menu to pull up a style to format the text. Dreamweaver handles tables way better.
Building PHP sites with FrontPage is a breeze as well, but you have to write <script language=" php" > first otherwise you' ll end up with a heck of a mess. Or you could get a FrontPage/PHP plugin.
I have to agree with rumblepup. You are right on the money about it being the designer. I wish I was one!
Our designer designs the site and I build it in a combination of DW/FP. It just works well that way for me. I have never had a problem with my html getting mangled. (except when I first started trying to code PHP in FrontPage)
I think it' s become a major habit but I always do table work and tweaky layout work in DW then kick over to FP for the rapid development. The code window is a code window. If you know what you' re doing you' re not going to care whether it' s FP, DW, notepad or Homesite.
If you' re at all serious about doing database integration your going to write your own connections and SQL anyway so who cares what the DRW or Dreamweaver' s database integration does and if you really want a killer development tool you' ll use Visual Studio Dot.Net.
Dreamweaver MX handles Dot.Net (not very well), but if your developing Dot.Net sites you' re better off with Visual Studio or even Matrix (it' s free). The code is better managed and the wizard and plugins work better.
Like Jay said. FP is cherry coolaid and Dreamweaver is orange. The new version of FP is supposed to be a little sweeter.
I think if I didn' t support FP I' d be turning my back on a segment of the business population.
Cheers,
Andrew
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RE: FrontPage 2003 - Will you? - 8/15/2003 6:40:57
Thanks for this info, and welcome to the site!
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ACEDISH
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I upgraded ro FP2003 - 8/15/2003 9:29:48
I have a big problem with FP2003. It wants to change the code and will not let me change it back. I am hoping this is a feature that can be turned off. I opened a web created in FP2002 and published and noticed most of my forms where not working when i looked at the code in 2003 it was re writing the form scripts. I cut and pasted in "HTML" view or "CODE" view which is what is called now and it instantantly rewrites it. I can't seem to find an option for this so far so I am back to 2002 until I figure a way to stop this. I did however mess around with it a good bit and everything else seems to be great but If I cannot stop it from rewriting I will stay with FP2002...
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ACEDISH
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RE: FrontPage 2003 - Will you? - 8/15/2003 10:12:41
Oh by the way it was an .asp page
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awasson
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RE: FrontPage 2003 - Will you? - 8/15/2003 11:07:06
ACEDISH,
Do you have a snipet of the code before and after so we can have a look at the changes FP made?
Just curious, I have found that FP2000 will adjust (delete) asp code if it's between the <!-- this is frontpage generated code do not modify-->" comment tags and php code if it's not enclosed in <script language="php"> tags.
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ACEDISH
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RE: FrontPage 2003 - Will you? - 8/15/2003 11:40:25
This is a sniplet of what was in FP2002 and works fine.
<form method="POST" action="order6_copyorg.asp" onsubmit="return FrontPage_Form3_Validator(this)" language="JavaScript" name="FrontPage_Form3" webbot-action="--WEBBOT-SELF--">
If i open the same page in fp2003 and save it it changes to.
<form method="POST" action="--WEBBOT-SELF--" onsubmit="return FrontPage_Form3_Validator(this)" language="JavaScript" name="FrontPage_Form3">
Whats weird is when I open the page in FP2002 and right click over any of the form fields you have the option of editing the Form Properties.
If I open the same web in FP2003 I do not have this option
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RE: FrontPage 2003 - Will you? - 8/15/2003 12:19:24
well, i have been using the FP2003 Beta for a few onths now, and yes there are some improvements over 2002, most notably for me the split code/wsywg screen and the database interaction is of most interst to me. I have not delved into all the little nuances of it, but am slowly exploring. One of my pet peeves tho wiht Microsquish is the necessary evils of Server Ext. ughhh why cant they just do away with this nasty.
cheers and long life
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awasson
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RE: FrontPage 2003 - Will you? - 8/16/2003 21:02:24
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I currently use a combination of FP and DW. In a perfect world one of them would come up with a product with all of the features I want.
I think it's good that Dreamweaver has some features that are ahead of FP and Fp has features that are better that Dreamweaver or GoLive. It makes for better products all round. If there was no competition there would be less innovation on the part of Macromedia, MS or Adobe... Or any of the other S/W producers.
All the XML/XSLT features will definitely raise the bar on FP website capabilities.
Back to ACEDISH,
I haven't had any time to mess around with the form problem but I find it strange that that the code from FP2002 has 2 different actions one to the page action="order6_copyorg.asp" and the other webbot-action="--WEBBOT-SELF--"
It almost loooks like FP2002 didn't remove the --WEBBOT-SELF-- in the code when you told it to go to order6_copyorg.asp and FP2003 has decided WEBBOT-SELF takes precident over anything else.
I would try (and I have no idea if this will work) changing the page in 2002 removing the webbot-action="--webbot-self--" and see if the page still works. If it does then I would import the page to 2003 and see what happens.
Worth a try anyway.
Cheers,
Andrew
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ACEDISH
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RE: FrontPage 2003 - Will you? - 8/17/2003 10:51:00
I have noticed that it seems to be changing alot of code when it comes to form submissions, I have found 5 pages total that it wants to re write.
In 2002 when you go into the html view and change code It would never change it unless you would re run a wizard. but 2003 changes it as soon as you save the page.
Obviously it is doing it for a reason, maybe because i did something incorrect orginally in FP2002 but the page works fine with no problems. It sucks because I am afraid to publish with 2003 So I have been using both versions over the past few weeks.
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drbob
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RE: FrontPage 2003 - Will you? - 8/18/2003 15:17:42
I have been on the Beta of FP 03 and like it for it's support of ASP & ASPX on an .NET server platform (Which we also were on the beta for) BUT I will not move production usage to it totally. We are a FP2002 shop because we do the design and then turn the sites over to our customers to operate on a daily bases. We charge to fix them when they screw them up. But to do that with 03 would be insane. Only 5% of our client's home VCR don't flash 12:00. and 03 is F A R over their heads.
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davids
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RE: FrontPage 2003 - Will you? - 8/18/2003 15:30:28
Well, drbob, I'm sorry to hear that. It's one of the main reasons I stick with FP/Access/SQL Server. If FP03 is too difficult for beginners to use as a site editing tool, then I will have to explore alternatives.
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awasson
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RE: FrontPage 2003 - Will you? - 8/20/2003 10:33:32
Well it looks like our chance to get the next version is coming up fast (October 21st in NY) and the upgrade price is really cheap $109.00 US or $199.00 for the full version and you know it'll cost less at Amazon.
More HERE
It's less expensive than I thought and that makes it a no-brainer for an upgrade. I have to agree with drbob about supporting the clients who use FP for web admin. There needs to be some testing and if FP2003 won't gracefully support FP2000 sites without messing them up, I'll keep FP2000 running somewhere just for that reason.
After all, even though I really dig doing this web stuff, I have to keep an eye on the interests of the end user (client).
See ya,
Andrew
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carhoo
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RE: FrontPage 2003 - Will you? - 8/26/2003 10:30:11
The bar has raised more than considerably, MM has released its new editor and is it awesome. Check out new information here> http://www.macromedia.com/software/dreamweaver
I'd also like to say I know someone who has beta tested the new dreamweaver2004 and they love it. Much easier user interface and lots more features. I think Bill was toooo late again.. And I bet as usual, MM products will be pretty much bug free. Unlike Frontpage.
After much thought of, should I buy FP or not, I will buy fp upgrade just so I can give a more honest opinion when it comes out. I'm not charged to test Macromedia products like Microsoft does.
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WakonTonka
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RE: FrontPage 2003 - Will you? - 9/3/2003 12:34:39
Already have ... I like it so far.
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TonyT
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RE: FrontPage 2003 - Will you? - 10/1/2003 11:46:06
I'll get it the day it is released, simply because that's what I always do! =]
I've watched the demo on the MS site and am personally pretty anxious to get my hands on some of the groovy new stuff. It also pays to have friends who work there ($20 at the MS store! woot!)
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Eli
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RE: FrontPage 2003 - Will you? - 10/1/2003 19:05:09
i didn't upgrade to 2002 and won't be upgrading to 2003. Why? Erm .... mainly $. I can't use 2000 so how i'm going to use 2003 is beyond me!!!
Actaully, i'm fond of 2000 and use it in conjuction with DWUD so unless i see some REALLY good reasons for the change i'll stay as I am.
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RE: FrontPage 2003 - Will you? - 10/3/2003 23:48:30
Wow......all those No votes !!!! Who is going to be around to answer all the 2003 newbie questions?
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