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If your site is in frames, click here! Tips you need to know.

 
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LB

 

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If your site is in frames, click here! Tips you need t... - 6/13/2000 18:54:00   
1) Search engines and browsers that don't support frames (or have frames turned off) only see what's between the <noframes> </noframes> part of your source code. Create an alternative site, or at least a page, for them.

2) Pages intended for use inside frames are occasionally viewed without the main frame. Various reasons, but it does happen. Make sure every page has a link back to your home page.

3) Get permission to put another site inside one of your frames. Some view it as a copyright infringement.

More tips, anyone?

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RE: If your site is in frames, click here! Tips you ne... - 6/13/2000 19:07:00   
re: #3

I am pretty sure there have been several lawsuits filed over this issue. Not sure if any decisions have been made though. Gil?

Nancy


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RE: If your site is in frames, click here! Tips you ne... - 6/13/2000 19:43:00   
To elaborate on search engines supporting frames... a few do: Alta Vista, Fast, Google and Northern Lights.

HOWEVER...those who do not include Excite, Inktomi, Go and Lycos. If is seems like a pretty fair split...think again. Inktomi alone feeds Hotbot, Yahoo, Snap, Microsoft Search, Goto.com, Searchopolis, Anzwers, ICQit and AOL Netfind.

Those that do support frames have strict requirements as to what is acceptable frames behavior. I just don't think it is worth it considering all of the navigations options available today, which is usually the number one reason people feel the need to use frames.

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Gil

 

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RE: If your site is in frames, click here! Tips you ne... - 6/13/2000 23:37:00   
quote:
Originally posted by Nancy:
re: #3

I am pretty sure there have been several lawsuits filed over this issue. Not sure if any decisions have been made though. Gil?

Nancy


So far:

| What is Framing?
|
| Framing allows a page to be parceled into multiple, scrolled
| "windows" that are independent of each other and can include text,
| graphics, hypertext links, IMG links and other embedded links. These
| frames, unlike HREF or IMG links, may import entire remote Web sites.
| The URL displayed in the browser remains that of the framing site and
| not the remote site being imported. Thorny legal disputes have
| emerged when the imported site is surrounded, juxtaposed or framed by
| another's advertising, logos or promotional material.
|
| The Washington Post, Time, Inc., Cable News Network, Inc. Time Mirror
| Co., and Reuters sued TotalNews, Inc. for retaining a border
| containing its logo and commercial advertisements around screens that
| were activated links to these news sources. The news organizations
| alleged trademark dilution, consumer confusion as to the origin or
| sponsorship of TotalNews' services, unfair competition,
| misappropriation of intellectual property, and interference with the
| plaintiffs' relationships with their advertisers. The plaintiffs sold
| and displayed advertising on their sites and charged TotalNews with
| engaging in "the Internet equivalent of pirating copyrighted
| material...packaging those stories to advertisers as part of a
| competitive publication or program produced by [Total News] and
| pocketing the advertising revenue generated by their unauthorized use
| of the material."
|
| The case settled in June 1997 with an agreement that TotalNews could
| continue to link to the other news organizations' sites, but could
| not frame content gathered from the news organizations on its own
| Website display.

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buzzbo

 

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RE: If your site is in frames, click here! Tips you ne... - 6/18/2000 18:25:00   
When you have external links from your framed pages (e.g. to Yahoo or something), you should <bold>always</bold> send the link into either a new window (in Edit Hyperlink, target _new) or whole window (target _whole). Someone else was just mentioning links to other sites being "trapped" in frames. It's an easy thing to do esp. when a page's default target is not the whole or new window.

Buzz


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Gil

 

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RE: If your site is in frames, click here! Tips you ne... - 6/18/2000 19:06:00   
quote:
Originally posted by buzzbo:
When you have external links from your framed pages (e.g. to Yahoo or something), you should <bold>always</bold> send the link into either a new window (in Edit Hyperlink, target _new) or whole window (target _whole).

Well, _new nor _whole are valid. The reserved names for the TARGET attribute are:

TARGET="_blank"
This target will cause the link to always be loaded in a new blank window. This window is not named.


TARGET="_parent"
This target makes the link load in the immediate FRAMESET parent of this document. This defaults to acting like "_self" if the document has no parent.


TARGET="_search"
This target causes the link to load in the browser's Search pane. (Internet Explorer 5.0)


TARGET="_self"
This target causes the link to always load in the same window where the action originated. This is useful for overriding a globally assigned BASE target.


TARGET="_top"
This target makes the link load in the full body of the window. This defaults to acting like "_self" if the document is already at the top. It is useful for breaking out of an arbitrarily deep FRAME nesting.

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