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Reighn2121 -> Partial Site, need feedback please (3/28/2001 20:50:00)

This is another site I'm currently working on, and I've not been abl to get anykind of feed back from the client, the main decision maker has gone on vacation for like a month and he's unreachable. So the rest of the company has decided to not return phone calls and send confusing e-mails when I post updates and stuff.

Here's background on the site, it's for government training of hazardous material transportation, and this is going to be a hella long project years and years. But, I've got a basic framework down and, then the client did make the decision to make the training section partialy flash so as to "force the trainee into reading the text"

I've got a very little bit of it done in flash and there is a bit more of the site still HTML based, but I'll let you guys take a peak and pick at it, and give me a few ideas or tell me what I'm doing wrong

the address is
http://www.hazardousmaterialtraining.com/members/training/air/default.htm

this is strait into the training section, as the rest of the site is kinda patchy, but, I've not been given alot of insight as to what the client is expecting, but I guess it is my job as a designer to show them what they want to see even if they don't know, huh.

(oh, yeah, I know that the different section should link together via the next buttons, but, I forgot to insert the newly published flash components into the live site, but I'll get that done as quickly as I can.)

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Gil -> RE: Partial Site, need feedback please (3/28/2001 23:35:00)

Well, I get a 404 error for the main frame?

But you might want to read up on Govt. regs about accessability. I was about 4 months intpo a Govt. related site a few years ago and had to start over when they discovered that Federal Govt. regulations prohibit frames and a lot of other stuff. I still had a few sites bookmarked, but there is at least a dozen more you'll need to look at:

http://www.itpolicy.gsa.gov/cita/wwwcode.htm
http://www.itpolicy.gsa.gov/cita/www_acce.htm
http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/508/report/content.htm

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Reighn2121 -> RE: Partial Site, need feedback please (3/28/2001 15:07:00)

I've looked into what the Gov't has to say about the HAZMAT stuff, and all this training stuff is really just to keep the EPA off of whomever they would come down upon, So as far a regulations they are non-existant. since there is no gov't agency to police the transportation of hazardous good, with the exception of the EPA, but they don't drive up and down the highway and pull over truckers to check thier hazmat cert. So this is really just an honor system thing, your supposed to have this to haul hazardous goods, but there is really no one to bust you if you don't, so it's not a 100% Gov't site, just kinda barely in a very tiny way Gov't related.

and the hyperlink to the site is
http://www.hazardousmaterialtraining.com/members/training/air/default.htm

it should work it is Flash 5 so, you will have to have the viewer, but other than that, I'll re-publish and see if maybe it's a server thing





Gil -> RE: Partial Site, need feedback please (3/28/2001 15:21:00)

Well my firewall blocked the ActiveX control so this time I got a blank frame :-) anfd a popup about an error at line 34.

Good luck with the Govt - I lost a lot having to redo that site and was just trying to help.

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CavalierLady -> RE: Partial Site, need feedback please (3/29/2001 17:21:00)

Doesn't the DOT take over 'jurisdiction' when transporting materials? I was checking into fire extinguisher service the other day and I thought I saw them mentioned. Geez, I was supposed to have msds for transporting dry ice?




Nancy -> RE: Partial Site, need feedback please (3/29/2001 23:00:00)

It's your site, but I do have just a couple of comments.

As for regulation of hazardous materials and any transportation involved, I happen to agree with Cavalier Lady. Seems the DOT is usually quite involved with this type of thing, as well as numerous other agencies should some hazmat incident occur while materials were in transport.

Now it may be stretching things to envision a lawsuit over this site, but stranger things have happened in this life. And since I am sure some savvy lawyer could easily bring up the issue of accessibility of a website, it might be wise to check a little further into this issue.

Liability on the part of a web site designer is an issue the courts will be seeing more and more of. (I know - don't end a sentence with a preposition.)

I'm sure glad it is your website and not mine.

Nancy

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Reighn2121 -> RE: Partial Site, need feedback please (3/30/2001 20:16:00)

I've looked into what you all are saying, and the DOT are the ones who regulate the transport of hazardous materials, but like I said, they don't police the highways as much as they should, and since they don't, that is the reason that the restictions on this type if site are so laxed. This is not an original idea, there are already a few other sites like this running and doing just fine with absolutly no kind of gov't backing that I am aware of, and everything is legal. Just so long as the company providing the testing material is certified in advanced HazMat transportation, then they are permited to certify other people, and it is alowable over the interet. But, alas I am just the designer and I'm doing what I'm told so, If I have to go to court, I'll come back here before my areignment date and eat a big pile of crow.




abbeyvet -> RE: Partial Site, need feedback please (3/30/2001 20:37:00)

I think you are misunderstanding the point.

I don't think anyone suggested that there is a problem with the subject of the site or what your clients do, or plan to do, with their site.

The problem (or potential problem) relates entirely to the design of the site.

It is my understanding that sites in any way related to the government are subject to criteria related to accessibility. It was Gil who first drew my attention to this in another post ages ago and it turned out that the regulations are the same here in Ireland. It's a long time ago but as I remember it there was a story about some company failing to get a government contract because their website did not comply with standards.

It got me a nice earner (in association with a legal person) recommending change to a fairly big organisation here who had run into problems with their site. They are not a government agency but are involved in providing services for and on behalf of govenrnment agancies. These regulations are surprisingly broad in their scope.

They certainly were looking for the company who originally designed the site to make pretty extensive changes free on the basis that they should have known this stuff at the outset.

So far from you being just the jobbing designer and doing as your clients ask, if a problem arose it is possible that your clients could have a case against you - they employed you as an 'expert' and therefore might be entitled to expect that you were familiar with the laws and regulations governing the building of their site.

I am no lawyer, I'm not even American so your laws are largely an unknown qualtity to me, and you are right that the chances of any problems arising are remote. But stranger things have happened. It is at least worthy of a bit of consideration.

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Reighn2121 -> RE: Partial Site, need feedback please (4/2/2001 20:22:00)

Okay,
After much deliberation and conversation, I have finaly found out whatthe deal on this whole situation. This site is in no way related to the Gov't, not even a little, this site will not be an official HazMat certifacation course. They will get a certificate, but the only thing it will say is that "I passed the www.hazardousmaterialtraining.com course and now I'm ready to take the real test"

This site is only a traing site, kinda like those sites you go to to get help on your SAT's or something. People only come here to get study for the test that you have to take when you test for your CDL, so there is no Gov't intervention, no having to deat with DOT, but it is our responsability to provide factual information so as not to bring of the possibility of people trying to take us to court by making them pay for this training service and giving them inaccurate information.

So, I just thought I'd let you all know what was goin on with this and say thank you for making me worry about being held responsible for some huge environmental disaster, so that I would check all the site credentials to make sureI was doing the right thing





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