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DaAngel
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search engine hijacking, DNS error - 9/21/2003 3:16:21
Recently we have seen the use of search engine hijacking. Now when a user for whatever reason cannot enter a correct URL, the big boys that control DNS records have taken it upon themselves to thrust upon us their search engine.
Having read the register, (UK web site), http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/32933.html I think some people may have missed the point on this new art of controlled derived advertisement.
For those that do not know, now when a URL that does not exist is entered into a browser for certain domain names the user is brought to a helpful page. This page includes a search engine.
Terms of service from the verisign page are
The VeriSign Service may automatically display categories and links to other third party web sites. These sites are displayed as search results or are linked through keyword search results by the VeriSign Services. These third party sites are not within our control, and VeriSign does not endorse, and is not responsible for any content on any linked sites or the goods or services offered on such sites
 sounds like placed ads to me,
Warning............
Verisign place this note in bold on there terms of use policy
BY THE VERY NATURE OF THESE VERISIGN SERVICES, THE RESULTS MAY CARRY SUBJECTIVE MATERIAL AND INFORMATION. YOU AGREE AND ACKNOWLEDGE THIS AND WILL USE CAUTION AND COMMON SENSE AND EXERCISE PROPER JUDGMENT WHEN ACCESSING THE VERISIGN SERVICES AND THIRD PARTY WEBSITES. AS A CONDITION OF YOUR USE OF THE VERISIGN SERVICES YOU WILL NOT USE THE VERISIGN SERVICES FOR ANY PURPOSE THAT IS UNLAWFUL OR PROHIBITED BY THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS HEREIN.
Note the WHEN ACCESSING THE VERISIGN SERVICES part. I ask did you have a choice. I also wonder does this mean their terms supercede any .com and .net name. BTW it's a bit late to ACKNOWLEDGE verisigns terms of agreement when you already have it pre-installed via their DNS hijacking.
Smiles, heres a kicker you may get a laugh out of, a quote posted by the .com, and .net hijacker itself.
Sole Remedy.
YOUR USE OF THE VERISIGN SERVICES IS AT YOUR OWN RISK. IF YOU ARE DISSATISFIED WITH ANY OF THE MATERIALS, RESULTS OR OTHER CONTENTS OF THE VERISIGN SERVICES OR WITH THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS, OUR PRIVACY STATEMENT, OR OTHER POLICIES, YOUR SOLE REMEDY IS TO DISCONTINUE USE OF THE VERISIGN SERVICES OR OUR SITE
Shucks I am dissatisfied, how can I tell If I am going to be directed to this site or not. Maybe I can think of my own remedy, that is not dictacted to me, perhaps I can voice my view. Maybe I need to give visiting .com and .net domain names a miss. They state it so it must be law, after all, who would break the law online.
Since I am not a DNS expert, I am not sure how this came about. However I don't need to own a heard of bull....to smell the sent.
So I request a verisign site blocker, to go with my antivirus, firewall and pop up software. I would hate to break their so called legal terms of use.
I am not a laywer, but this abuse and so called legal drivel is so full of holes, show me how and I will sue them.
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BY THE VERY NATURE OF THESE VERISIGN SERVICES, THE RESULTS MAY CARRY SUBJECTIVE MATERIAL AND INFORMATION. YOU AGREE AND ACKNOWLEDGE THIS AND WILL USE CAUTION AND COMMON SENSE AND EXERCISE PROPER JUDGMENT WHEN ACCESSING THE VERISIGN SERVICES AND THIRD PARTY WEBSITES.
I reckon that this means they can also, under goverment sanctioned terms,
sponsor porn. That it is my childrens fault if they type in a wrong URL and not use
CAUTION AND COMMON SENSE and are subjected to Verisigns Sole Remedy.
< Message edited by DaAngel -- 9/21/2003 5:54:16 AM >
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RE: search engine hijacking, DNS error - 9/21/2003 11:48:24
I'm also not very happy with this and many people believe that Verisign has stepped over the bounderies of what they are allowed to do. I guess everybody now wants to get into the pay-per-click search engine game.
That really sucks
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RE: search engine hijacking, DNS error - 9/24/2003 20:45:40
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Bravooooo the petition. - but what good will it do?
They really have to pass some laws governing this crap.
If the forefathers of what are now the U.S.A. had not petitioned (a.k.a Declaration of Independence) and/or spoken out (Nathan Hale), where would we be today? WHO would we be today? (No offense to non-Americans intended - just citing the first examples that, as an American, came to mind.) Also, it took the courage of a little old lady named Rosa Parks to get the ball rolling towards the Civil Rights Act of 1965. Look what one person started!
The fact the anti-Verisign petition exists is a very public way of serving notice to Verisign that their tactics have been deemed less than honorable, are viewed as intolerable and will not be accommodated. If enough people complain, they might just get the message their tactics are WRONG, WRONG and WRONG! Did I forget to mention that Verisign's tactics are WRONG?
Remember, regardless the issue, it's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease; if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem; and worst of all......silence is assent.
My $0.02
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RE: search engine hijacking, DNS error - 9/24/2003 23:59:11
Today, there's only one determining-aspect that governs anything in this country - when it comes to the Internet, the government and business: The "almighty" dollar. If you think that complaining to Versign will make them change their ways, then God bless you. There's only one way you can have an effect on Verisgn -in this day and age, "The wallet". That is where they have to be hit.
Verisign has been using horrible tactics to scare, confuse and cowerce money from their existing customers for years in the form of letters stating accounts were about to expire when they really weren't. And they still do it. I'm sure 1000's have complained. I was a customer of theirs a long time ago. Is there anything legal that stops them? As long as what they do generates taxes, is not pornographic, or an obvious scam, then it continues-on legally.
As opposed to the Internet, what verisgn is doing is done a million times a day in a million different ways. The internet is a zone that is not governed. That's what it is time for.
I'm not saying that you shouldn't lobby whoever, whatever, whenever, -go for it. But I am sadly pessimistic that Verisign will listen. I have more faith in lobbying the government, (like you exampled in your post). The goal in my first post was to try to avoid writing a long post. I just got right to the point. ***Laws.*** I still feel it's the best way. Maybe the only way???
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RE: search engine hijacking, DNS error - 2/16/2004 16:06:53
I agree!
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