I am just wondering, since we wear ourselves out repeatedly so that our sites look good in navigator 'too', if anyone still uses netscape?

I figure that all webdesigners, wish it would burn to ashes but apparently that is not the case.

WHO STILL USES THAT PIECE OF JUNK?

IE is the best, there's no doubt.

Just venting......

a link you might like

Gen

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My all time favorite browser is still NN 3.04 with images & Javascript turned off.

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In the Intermediate/Advanced Forum, Gorilla posted this URL which I found pretty darn interesting and eye-opening:

http://www.webreview.com/style/css1/charts/mastergrid.shtml

Doesn't really answer your question about numbers, but shows the different versions and their capabilities, or lack thereof.

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[This message has been edited by Bill Nicol (edited 07-06-2001).]

Opera (my default)
Internet explorer
Netscape
Mozilla
Konqueror - got to be the best ftp around as well as a great browser (linux only)
Lynx

And I'm currently testing one for kids.

Analyse your server logs and you'll find out who's using what.

oh and go here regularly:

http://www.browserwatch.com

Whatever you think of it choice/competition is good. Long live Netscape.

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Originally posted by decorusvita:
FPers

WHO STILL USES THAT PIECE OF JUNK?

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I do. Opera might be my default browser but I still use NN a lot. So do several million other people. Now please don't take this the wrong way ....

Ummmm in my experience a lot of designers don't like NN because it doesn't let them away with some things that IE does. The classic example is the missing </body> tag, IE "forgives" it NN doesn't.

But it's not the only one - lots of people "forget" to </p> - that's just sloppy coding.

OOOH aren't a lot of "professionals" going to get a horrid shock when they discover that Microsoft really meant it when they said that all versions of IE after the shortly to be released ie6 are going to be much much much more in conformity with the w3c guidelines.

That doesn't mean a worse browser it does mean that coding is going to have to be checked a bit more thoroughly.

BTW There are also bugs in IE and Opera. Complex software inevitably involves bugs. Even software that isn't complex frequently involves bugs.

Lots of "professional" web designers also sneer at those who use Front Page and would like to burn it to ashes. At least thats what they say - then when you go to check their sites and look at their metatags what do you see?

Why you see this of course:

<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">
<meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">

"IE is the best, there's no doubt." well yes and no.

Actually "no" not in my opininon *for me personally* opera is the one.

Please note I did emphasise "for me personally." Why? I find it to less buggy and a *lot* faster than anything else I've seen. The thing is this if it was just an IE world IE wouldn't stay good for long - why not? Because there'd be very little incentive for it to be fixed any time it broke.

In any case the whole point of the internet is choice. Choice of browser, choice of where to go, choice of where not to go, choice of how to view someone's web pages. Lots of designers forget that.

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NN 4.7 here.

My sites average anywhere from 20%-30% Netscape users.

Sandy

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LOL..... ohhhhkay another one of those days.

Thanks for showing me that people out there still use and love, NN. I haven't used Opera, nor have I ever really heard of it.

But I do have one question....
what is the most used browser?

IE, NN, Opera? Something else I haven't heard of?

Oh yeah, and I want to apologize for calling NN a piece of junk.

I guess it's just fustrations with positioning and everything else that goes with my job *that I am LEARNING how to do of course*.

Take care and thanks for replying!

*opens eyes a little wider*

Regards,
Gen

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Not going to give up.
I'm a survivor.
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*gorilla opens eyes wide*

You can get opera here:

http://www.opera.com

Ranking in terms of usage by rest of world is:

The big 3:
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Internet explorer (no surprise they do dominate the desktop operating system market after all )

Netscape

Opera
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Followed by others like Konqueror, mozilla and so on. Can't remember the stats offhand.

Opera is rapidly gaining market share.

HTML positioning is a pain the bugs and misimplementations of css positioning drive me to distraction - 'though it is getting better.

Incidentally I only ever open my mouth to change from left foot to right foot

PS: Whenever i'm feeling especially grumpy I go here:

http://www-csag.cs.uiuc.edu/individual/pakin/complaint

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Give me the url with your pic on it and I'll use that for my start page.

wait...wait...the sun already reflects off my screen in the morning...I don't need the added reflective glare. Never mind.

Sandy

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