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Acadia

 

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Help with Tables - 11/9/2003 11:19:01   
I'm using FrontPage 2000 to build a web. Here is the link to one of the pages:

Link to Website

I am not very good with tables.

That page is built using a 2 cell table (1 row, with 2 columns). It looks ok, on a short, short page. But because the large area will have content added and expand downward, it also drags the menu area downward with it. On a long page, that will look hideous.

You can already see this starting to happen:

Short Page

Longer Page

All of these pages will be long, which means the menu buttons will sometimes be located 1/2 way down the page.

How do I make 2 tables side by side? One for the menu buttons so they stay stationary, and one for the main area that can expand and grow?

The only way I know how to do this is in frames, but that is NOT an option in this case. I won't be maintaining this web, and the people who will be know zero about web design and don't understand uploading a basic web at this point, let alone trying to link pages in frames windows. And they are not open to frames either.

I've looked at a few HTML sites, and I am completely lost in trying to get 2 tables side by side.

Even if I could get the menu buttons into a frame on the left, and have the text to the right of it, and so it wraps below the menu buttons would be ok.
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RE: Help with Tables - 11/9/2003 11:28:26   
Not sure why you would need two tables. I think your problem is this: By default, FP will make the vertical alignment in the cell be in the middle. Try right-clicking in the left-cell, choose cell properties, then go to vertical alignment and set it to "Top". Should fix your problem.

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RE: Help with Tables - 11/9/2003 11:33:09   
Hi Acadia,

In Design View click in the cell where you have the nav located. Not in the table with the buttons, the cell holding the table. Left click and select Cell Properties and set the "Vertical alignment" to "Top". That will hold the content at the top of the cell.
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RE: Help with Tables - 11/9/2003 12:13:05   
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All of these pages will be long, which means the menu buttons will sometimes be located 1/2 way down the page.


Hi Mike. If he doesn't adjust the side with the buttons to align to the top, won't he still have the problem of his buttons being in the middle on long pages?

In reality, Acadia you should probably change both cells to align to the top. Not sure why this isn't the default in FP. That's always annoyed me a little.

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RE: Help with Tables - 11/9/2003 12:18:04   
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If he doesn't adjust the side with the buttons to align to the top, won't he still have the problem of his buttons being in the middle on long pages?

I opened the page in FP and it looked like he had the nav buttons in a nested table. That's why I said to be sure to set the properties for the base cell to align top, that moves the table he has the buttons in up.:)

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RE: Help with Tables - 11/9/2003 15:46:18   
*Is a girl*:)

Ok. I haven't looked in FP to see what you are talking about regarding the Design View.

But I do have another question relating to tables and adjusting properties.

You mentioned "base table", is that the first table I layed down? The very bottom one? If so how do you go about altering properties or backgrounds for tables that are in the bottom portion of the table heirarchy. The only way I know how to change tables that are below others, is to delete all the tables on top and start again.

Is there a better and easier way?

I swear, Tables will be my complete undoing.

Edit:

These people now decided they "think" they want the buttons on the top instead. :)

New Layout

The only thing is in this layout, I dragged the contents light mauve part too far down and the border at the bottom isn't the same width as the sides. And I can't seem to drag it back up, and no matter what numbers I enter into "Height" in HTML, it stays the same height.

Can someone tell me how to move that nested table up some, so that it's no so far down and infringing on the dark purple border?

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RE: Help with Tables - 11/9/2003 17:56:07   
quote:

*Is a girl*

Sorry Acadia, I should never assume.:):):)
In this case you left yourself a little "space" in the base table to insert the cursor.
:)
That made it simple to right click etc. had you not you could always insert the cursor into the nested table and use the (left) arrow key to move the cursor out into the base table. The shorter method, which I admittedly am in no position to advise in, would be to open the code view and insert the alignment. Changing the code from
"<td width="22%" background="staples/01-sparklestrip.jpg" height="687">
to:
<td width="22%" background="staples/01-sparklestrip.jpg" height="687" valign="top">
If I understand your second question correctly add another row under the nested table and place a transparent spacer (gif) in there to stretch the table down.

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Acadia

 

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RE: Help with Tables - 11/9/2003 19:04:40   
Thank you :)

I actually understood what you said :)

By error I discovered that I the bottom border is directly related to the "cell padding" number. In my case, I had 20 entered there. I changed it to 50, and the tables "separated" from each other by that extra amount. I don't have a new revised page up yet, but now the bottom and sides equal each other.

I've pasted what you said to Notepad and saved it in my help file for future reference, because I know I'll need that information again someday :)

I love that little guy sitting on my button table. He put a smile on my face for the first time today. I've been in frown mode for awhile now over this website.

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