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Rob Logan -> Sales People (11/10/2003 7:55:59)

Thought I would post this to see if anyone had any ideas on how to hire good sales people.

I started a web design company several years ago and have had much succcess in finding new customers to keep cash flow healthy. However, it requires allot of my time to call on potential customers. In short I have to do all the sales work myself. I want to grow my company by adding a sales force to bring in new business. Does anyone have a "model" or good idea to attract talented sales people?
I have run many ads in local papers and get hundreds of responses for a commission based sales job but I haven't been overly successful with these candidates. Everyone wants a full salary but it is almost impossible to pay sales people a salary and be profitable. Also, the cost of hiring a developer is prohibitive to the bottom line. This path turns me into a full time salesman. Any ideas?

Thanks In Advance




burgi82 -> RE: Sales People (11/10/2003 13:35:59)

what about an affiliate program?




Mojo -> RE: Sales People (11/10/2003 14:22:21)

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Everyone wants a full salary


I spent 6 years in sales with NEVER a base salary. I had a monthly draw for the first 4 months and once I had commissions coming in that disappeared - then I went on my own selling. This was my head hunter days.

People that insist on a full base salary are not closers. They are schmoozers. They are likely great "people persons", talk well, polished in their speach etc... but, they are also most likely to be average sales people.

CRAP!!! I had a nice post done, but I bumped one of my silly mouse buttons and it caused me to lose the post...

Anyhow, here is a brief version -

Closers work for $$. They absolutely hate being paid the same amount as regular sales people. They want pay for performance because they deserve it and they can do what others can't - sell.

You need an incentive program that will allow closers to seperate themselves from the rest of the sales fodder.

I started out on a sliding scale like this:

Per Month -
$1 to $3000 = 25% of monthly sales
$3001 to $6000 = 30%
$6001 to $9000 = 35%
$9001 to $12000 = 40%
$12001 to $15000 = 45%

Per Quarter -
Over $36,000 in sales = 5% bonus

Per Year (12 months)
Over $144,000 in sales = 10% bonus

The above scale was great to work for because the money was so good, but only 3 of us were hitting the bonuses.

Start out with a low base or a draw and then get rid of it quickly (2 or 3 months). After that, the sales person should only get the commission structure. If it is a profitable structure you will end up hiring some good people, but there are FAR MORE schmoozers than closers. So keep an eye on your money.




Thomas Brunt -> RE: Sales People (11/11/2003 10:26:51)

I don't have the answer for you, but I have some observations that may be of some value.

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I used to work in a large Web development company that had a complete sales staff. Those guys were nice, and they were able to fake some knowledge of Web development when they were talking to potential clients.

A little knowledge can be a bad thing, however. They were always trying to increase the size of the project to increase the size of their commission. That is a recipe for disaster in pretty much any Web project.

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I've been told by several different people who seem to be experts in the consulting industry that there are a lot of profitable consulting businesses with 7 or fewer employees, and there are a lot of profitable consulting businesses with over 100 employees. There are almost no profitable consulting businesses with more than 7 but fewer than 100 employees, however. The problem in that range is the ratio of billable to non billable employees.

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Based on what I have seen with my own business and a few other similar ones, it appears to me that a decision to add an employee or associate entails more of a commitment than may first be obvious.

A good salesperson should be able to bring in more business than you can handle by yourself. Maybe you can outsource that work or draw the line at just bringing on 1 more devoloper, but maybe not. Just 1 more developer or designer in the mix (outsourced or in-house) will bring with it a really amazing amount of communication and coordination issues, and you may find you need more than just 1 more developer or designer if your salesperson gets on a hot streak.

The logical next step is to hire an experienced project manager or become one yourself. You will probably start off by splitting your time between project management and developing, but that may become as problematic as splitting your time between sales and development. You will need more projects to keep a full time project manager busy and paid for. That may mean another sales person. It may also mean more developers and designers.

2 sales people can generate a lot of clerical issues. You will almost certianly need a secretary at that point.

The need for an extra person doesn't necessarily ever stop, but you need to either seriously plan for your growth to halt at a certain point, or you need to get some serious capital and prepare for some heavy losses while you gear up for the big time.

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Renaissance Interactive (my former employer) started as 4 college buddies. It grew past 7 employees very quickly and started loosing money even though sales soared. We were billing hundreds of thousands of dollars per month by the time I came on board. Renaissance was able to raise money to stay alive for a couple of years while it continued to add employees as fast as possible. It had no trouble attracting venture capital and raised $15 million. Then it could hire like crazy. But the Internet bubble burst. Sales slowed, but the overhead remained. It took about a year and a half to burn through the $15 million. The doors eventually closed.

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Like I said, no answers here -- sorry about that -- just maybe some interesting reading for someone thinking about growing a consulting business.

t




powersitedesign -> RE: Sales People (11/12/2003 15:52:31)

I have had alot of luck approaching Sales People that are already in the field selling other types of media / marketing such as radio, newspaper, television, etc.

They are already sales driven, have the contacts, know how to service clientele, and to spot a legitimate lead. If you have them also markup and resell hosting and updates, this residual income will appeal to them and probably make them very strong assets for you down the road.

Currently we have about 30 affiliates across the country, but as you well know some outperform others by a mile, but every little bit helps. One of our guys mentioned using his residual to compensate his childrens private school. A good way of thinking, he travels across the country and has several clients already booked.

Hope this is a fresh idea for you.

Thanks.
Cotton Rohrscheib, Powersite Design




evansforsyth -> RE: Sales People (11/12/2003 17:28:01)

Thanks for the ideas--had sensed some of the problems oulined above, and wondered how to add on a sales person.

Currently we have a great relationship with an advertising consultant--he books radio, newspaper ads, etc. for a number of local businesses He has also taken to keeping me run off my feet--developing and maintaining sites for his customers.

This is just a confirmation of the excellent advice already given.

Evans




patobrian -> RE: Sales People (11/13/2003 5:00:40)

While reading the posts to this thread I relate this subject to my own recent experiences growing and running a commercial construction business. I think my experiences apply.

You can only expect that whomever is brought in will be less effective and less motivated than you are personally. In house communication of your values and objectives, and successfully expressing and maintaining your own intuitively developed business persona is going to take a toll on your overhead - financially and emotionally. It takes a toll on your sense of control. You will feel like your baby is being abused and your values compromised. This is true even if the new employee is well intended.

Going from one person to two is a big deal for the person who created the business. Getting return on the investment is just a single part of the matter. A sales person without intending any negative consequences can drive your business in directions that you never intended - good or bad.

Think carefully about hiring and realize that you may not be able to take advantage of all of the work that a full time sales person can develop without hiring further support. I happened to get on this cycle unintended, and ended up with too much work, too much stress, and too little cash flow for the company size that resulted. It really changes everything about your operation when you bring in a new personality with ideas and goals that are by nature different than your own.

Pat




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