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problems with borders - 11/20/2003 10:42:54
I've got my site up in a folder and thanks to the guys helping me out with subwebs! Only problem the background image in the left border refuses to show.... have tried renaming it and tried deleting and redoing it, but it just won't show.
what really bugs me is that the image is used in the main part of the border as a spacer, but won't show in the background. Other border backgrounds work perfectly, just not this one....
any ideas?
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RE: problems with borders - 11/20/2003 11:27:51
I do not think you can have a background image in a border. The background image would be coming from your main page & not the includes. You could put it in a table & have it that way.
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RE: problems with borders - 11/20/2003 11:36:55
the background image works when I'm viewing the site on my computer.... which is what's infuriating!
I've tried having a table with the background image, but I want it to strech down to the bottom border (there is a curve on the top and bottom border which I want to line up with the background image on the left border....) and the table stops at the last cell, any ideas?
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RE: problems with borders - 11/20/2003 11:41:15
Is there an URL to review? I mean - I understand what you are saying - but it really does not make sense because page includes are not supposed to work that way. From what I have understood, when using FP includes, you do use the <HEAD> & <BODY> & Frontpage takes that out. But when using SSI (either SHTML or ASP) you do not use the <HEAD> & <BODY> tags.
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RE: problems with borders - 11/20/2003 11:51:21
Well you have have colors & images in the border, but I do not think a background image. You can only have one background image on a web page. And technically, a FP border is another web page that you are including in another web page.
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RE: problems with borders - 11/20/2003 11:54:47
Ok, I think I get that... but if it's another predefined web page surely you should be able to have backgrounds....
I am using FP 2002 and the border properties allow you to choose either a colour or image as background...
In your site you have a border all the way down the left side of the pages, with menu navigation. I know that wasn't done in fp but it's the general idea I'm looking for
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RE: problems with borders - 11/20/2003 11:56:58
And actually in that site I am using a table to separate it. That is the only way that I can think actually separating backgrounds. I mean, you cannot have two background images on the same page, unless your merge them into one JPG or use tables / DIV.
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RE: problems with borders - 11/20/2003 12:06:31
Hate to sound like an idiot (unfortunately when talking about html stuff i regularly do sound like an idiot) but you've lost me....
I've got the basic up and running www.alphamemories.com/cbh the contact us and the about us give you an idea of what I'm looking at.
I did look at using a table, but I found that it was impossible to maintain a 100% table with another table at 160pix inside that and still be able to maintain another table that looks part of the original site
I suppose I could just have it as a predfined size but I like the way the top and bottom just go to the far right and don't think it will look tidy if they are not the same...
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RE: problems with borders - 11/20/2003 12:20:48
On your page: http://www.alphamemories.com/cbh/ - in your opening body tag, you have nothing. No background image or anything. On your page: http://www.alphamemories.com/cbh/_borders/left.htm - yu have your background image with this code:
<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<title>Shared Left Border</title>
<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 5.0">
<meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
<meta name="Microsoft Border" content="none">
</head>
<body background="../images/CBHLeftBar.jpg" bgcolor="#008000">
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="border-collapse: collapse" bordercolor="#111111" width="160">
<tr>
<td width="100%"> </td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width="100%">
<!--webbot bot="Navigation" S-Orientation="vertical" S-Rendering="graphics" S-Type="top" B-Include-Home="FALSE" B-Include-Up="FALSE" startspan --><!--webbot bot="Navigation" i-checksum="0" endspan --></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width="100%"> </td>
</tr>
</table>
</body></html>
But FP is rendering the code as:
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="border-collapse: collapse" bordercolor="#111111" width="160">
<tr>
<td width="100%"> </td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width="100%">
<!--webbot bot="Navigation" S-Orientation="vertical" S-Rendering="graphics" S-Type="top" B-Include-Home="FALSE" B-Include-Up="FALSE" startspan --><!--webbot bot="Navigation" i-checksum="0" endspan --></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width="100%"> </td>
</tr>
</table>
Because you cannot have two heads or two bodies in the HTML page - or at least Frontpage does not want you to.
Go to your left.htm page & try adding the background image to the table. See if that will work
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RE: problems with borders - 11/20/2003 12:25:23
I was thinking about in a table alright, but then the image stops at the last cell, is there a way to have the height of the table automatically extend to the length of the page?
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RE: problems with borders - 11/20/2003 12:29:22
You could try to set the height at 100% - depending on the place that the border is inserted it might work. I know it would work on SSI because you specifically add the the page exactly where you want it
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RE: problems with borders - 11/20/2003 12:32:04
ssi?
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RE: problems with borders - 11/20/2003 12:35:16
SSI - Server Side Includes. The FP borders are basically the same thing, but rely on FP extensions.
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RE: problems with borders - 11/20/2003 12:40:51
ah....
I tried to use a table to get the rest of the left bar in. I have set the background for the table with the navigation and that works.... thanking you!
The 100% set for the other table to link the whole way down to the bottom border doesn't seem to want to play though
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RE: problems with borders - 11/20/2003 12:45:09
Not too sure but for some reason in the left.htm you have:
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="border-collapse: collapse" bordercolor="#111111" width="160" background="../images/CBHLeftBar.jpg">
<tr>
<td width="100%"> </td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width="100%">
<!--webbot bot="Navigation" S-Orientation="vertical" S-Rendering="graphics" S-Type="top" B-Include-Home="FALSE" B-Include-Up="FALSE" startspan --><!--webbot bot="Navigation" i-checksum="0" endspan --></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width="100%"> </td>
</tr>
</table>
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="border-collapse: collapse" bordercolor="#111111" width="100%" height="100%" background="../images/CBHLeftBar.jpg">
<tr>
<td width="100%"> </td>
</tr>
</table>
Try:
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="border-collapse: collapse" bordercolor="#111111" width="160" background="../images/CBHLeftBar.jpg" height="100%">
<tr>
<td width="100%"> </td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width="100%">
<!--webbot bot="Navigation" S-Orientation="vertical" S-Rendering="graphics" S-Type="top" B-Include-Home="FALSE" B-Include-Up="FALSE" --></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width="100%"> </td>
</tr>
</table>
that might work.
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RE: problems with borders - 11/20/2003 13:26:46
Well they do not use FP. If you were to use a table - divide it up & then use SSI it should work. Because you can place the 100% table inside the nav cell & it would expand as needed. This is another drawback of using the FP borders.
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RE: problems with borders - 11/20/2003 13:54:16
What I'm trying to do with the site is be able to update it really regularly with reviews of various things, I thought the best way of doing this would be to keep header/footer/navigation constant on all pages and then I could just insert new pages, the navigation would update itself automatically and the style of the site would be the same the whole way through....
Is there a better way of doing this?
I'd also like to be able to have specific links only in specific sections, like links to outfront in the technology section and links to bmw in the bmw cars section and so on and so forth....
Sorry to be constantly bothering you with this, I am totally stumped here infront of mine computer!
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RE: problems with borders - 11/21/2003 7:15:51
No worries. I used SSI on one of the sites to do what you want (expanding table) and it works perfectly. If you have any questions about it, just ask. I would venture to say that pretty much every hosting company out there supports SSI
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