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NetWearz
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Thought you might like to see - 8/8/2001 23:39:00
I am starting to get this one finished. A couple of the links aren't up yet. And its a pixel or 2 off in NN. I don't sweat the NN problem. Curious as too how u view sites like mine. Not a typical layout. I started learning website construction about 6 months ago. This was kinda tough for me to lay out. Now with graphics, I have thousands of hours working with them. http://www.netwearz.com
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Gil
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RE: Thought you might like to see - 8/9/2001 20:21:00
Just sat there "loading" for over a minute before I left?------------------
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Bill Nicol
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RE: Thought you might like to see - 8/9/2001 20:07:00
Hi Netwearz,I have to admit, the graphics are pretty darned good....and it seems like a nice job overall. But...(yeah, there's that word)it takes too long to load.....Gil already said that. Many surfers will move on down the road if they don't get something right away. I just stuck it out due to curiosity. Most importantly however...the site didn't give me any idea of what Netwearz is all about or who you are. I don't have a clue as to what I was looking at. So in my opinion, the site fails my basic criteria of simplicity and functionality. If you're out there to sell something, then you've got to get that message across right away, grab your visitor and get them so interested they just can't move on to another site. The homepage, although novel and cool, doesn't tell me anything about the site I'm about to look at....I just sat there saying, hey some of this is pretty cool, but what/who is this? Perhaps you are targeting a specialized audience? I don't know...I like the graphics though. The rest leaves me pretty cold. On a scale of one to five, I rate this site a one. But it wouldn't take much to raise that rating...just hang out here at Outfront, and you'll get more help and advice than you can imagine. Read the FAQ's for starters, and read some of the other critiques...heck, take a look at some of those other sites.... Sorry, but you asked for a critique. Wish I could've been more positive.
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NetWearz
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RE: Thought you might like to see - 8/9/2001 20:07:00
Thanx,
I am worried about the loading time. It loads for me and a few of my friends in about 15-20 seconds. It would be interesting to see the nodes that it goes through to reach u. I will look through the logs and do a trace. There might be a problem somewhere along the route.
As far as who and what NetWearz is, will eventually shine through. The entire site is evolving and is yet complete. I am not so concerned with that.
I was hoping that you would make more coding comments than anything, that was one of my greatest hurdles.
Thank You,
NetWearz
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Bill Nicol
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RE: Thought you might like to see - 8/9/2001 20:56:00
Hi Netwearz,Sorry I'm not the tech dude, I'm more business and management oriented. Just marginal in the tech department. ![]("http://www.frontpagewebmaster.com/ubb/smile.gif") I did however, look at your code and noticed a lot of gifs. So I searched Outfront a bit and thought that perhaps the following thread might be of some interest to you. There are some basic graphics tenets that people here seem to adhere to. In fact, the graphics forum is fantastic for tips and help, as are all the others. There are some pretty savvy graphics people out there. Anyway, check this out: http://www.frontpagewebmaster.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/000484.html You can search Outfront for other "gif vs. jpg" threads. Hope this helps a bit.... ![]("http://www.frontpagewebmaster.com/ubb/wink.gif")
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abbeyvet
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RE: Thought you might like to see - 8/9/2001 20:31:00
I agree with the above - nice but waaaaay too slow! Almost 90 seconds here to fully load, there is no way I would normally wait that long for a site.I would think the reason it loads so fast for you (assuming you are not on a cable modem or something) is that it is in your cache. Try doing Ctrl+Refresh and you will get a better idea of the real load time. It is very graphics heavy which it has to be for the effect you are trying to acheive. Compromise may be required to get acceptable load times along with the look you want. I don;t think the problem lies in the way the images are saved or whether they are sufficiently optimised - I think it is just the sheer number of them. The other comment I would make is that all of the internal pages are entirely different both from the home page and from eachother. Perhaps this is due to the stage of redesign but it is extremely disconcerting, there is nothing that indicates that you are infact still in the same site. ------------------
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[This message has been edited by abbeyvet (edited 08-09-2001).]
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RE: Thought you might like to see - 8/9/2001 20:50:00
Wow dude that site looks great.. I have been messing with FP for over a year and I cant even compare to that.. If you dont mind me asking how did you learn all the graphics and javascript stuff? thanks..
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NetWearz
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RE: Thought you might like to see - 8/9/2001 14:15:00
vivo, the scripting part took me many hours to get. I am talking 10 hour days for days.I been study java and dhmtl since i got interested in sites. I keep getting better at it. I also have experience with linux, freebsd, sun, tcl. So i been messing with scripting for a while. I own a chat server. I even build pcs. Now what i need to do is redesign netwearz, change some of the elements but keep the fundamentals that i have going. The java and dhmtl. Also i know how to do these drop down menus with images that will blow your mind. And these will work in any browser but definitely are not a novice thing to accomplish. And take a little trickery to pull it off.
As far as download time. I get mixed results. I was on a pc earlier that took a minute to download. I blame that on the pc. It was a 200mhz with little ram. I just asked a friend in germany using dsl it took him 6 seconds. Another friend here locally in indianapolis took him 15 on a 56k. Another in mass took him about 5 seconds and it wasn't in his cache either. But i am still going to redesign it. The purpose of all this was to simply see if i could do all the scripting and get a actual interface up.
When i get the new design up i will post it here so as to get some advice. Thanks for the replies and advice, I respect everything you all do here. You got a great thing going.Graphics .....just go for it!
Thanx,
Brad
Now all i need is a signature. :P
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Gil
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RE: Thought you might like to see - 8/9/2001 14:20:00
Last night the 1 minute + (I left after a minute) was on a 128K ISDN. Today at work (T1 not cached) took over 15 sec.------------------
Gil Harvey
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Goober
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RE: Thought you might like to see - 8/9/2001 15:06:00
After one minute and 40 seconds it finally stopped trying to load and there was a JavaScript error message in my scroll bar.All I saw were two arrows and a black page. ? Sandy ------------------
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NetWearz
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RE: Thought you might like to see - 8/9/2001 15:59:00
I wonder if its a routing problem. I am not sure where you all are located. My buddie handles all dns and networking for me. He's with sprint. I will talk to him, perhaps there is a problem somewhere in the network. The server i am using is a NT server. It should be loading faster for you all, even though it is graphic intensive. When I change the page to make it load faster and let more be known about us, if there is a network problem it will still load slowly. I will mention it to him and have him look into it.
Thanx,
BradHeres another website i have on the same server. Its my business trade. This is setup so local people can see what all i do. Just curious as to load times. www.indyfibertech.com
[This message has been edited by NetWearz (edited 08-09-2001).]
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abbeyvet
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RE: Thought you might like to see - 8/9/2001 16:22:00
Not a routng problem. Save your buddie some time - it is just a browser compatibility problem. Just had a look in Netscape, which I know Sandy uses, and the site does not work at all. Nothing related to the JavaScript works.For those interested in multiple mouseover effects there is a script here that does it: http://javascript.internet.com/miscellaneous/change-multiple-images.html I have used this one and it does work in both NN and IE. Not sure about Opera. ------------------
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Goober
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RE: Thought you might like to see - 8/9/2001 16:23:00
Oh, gosh. Why did you have to remind me? I need my carpet cleaned. Where are you anyway? Does it say on the site?45 seconds...and the button on the right is hanging off the page. I'd also name the page something besides New Page 2. Sandy ------------------
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Bill Nicol
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RE: Thought you might like to see - 8/9/2001 16:39:00
Hi Netwearz,Stopped for a look at your business site. I'm using IE5, monitor is set at 800 X 600 and the last button on the right is almost out of view. Also, I've passed around your fair city a few times this summer...seems like quite a boom area. Also the home of Bob and Tom. Cheers.
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NetWearz
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RE: Thought you might like to see - 8/9/2001 17:31:00
OOOOOOOps sorry about that abbeyvet, now your Netscape compatable(least in 4.76) But this time i got the scripts linked and not on the page. So unfortunately until i change it. Download times are even longer. :P
Yes i am aware that the buttons are too large on fibertech. I just havnt changed it. If you all need any advice on textiles, any flooring for that matter, I can assist u.
Brad
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Mike54
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RE: Thought you might like to see - 8/12/2001 13:11:00
I think you've got some really nice graphics but agree with abbeyvet about the lack of consistancy between pages and with Bill on letting the visitor know who you are right up front. From Connecticut using cable it took about 15 seconds to load. The scrolling message box doesn't seem to work with Opera.
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NetWearz
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RE: Thought you might like to see - 8/12/2001 21:45:00
The site is hardly done, i wanted to see what kind of initial reply i would get after coming up with a "unique" first page. Everything will have a common theme once it is completed. I had some old stuff up and just combined everything. Now what I am working in on is refining the initial idea to shorten the download time. When I am done it should be ok. I post again once it is completed. If anyone needs anyone help with any graphics such as a custom button or whatever just send me a e-mail. I work for free! thanks,
Brad
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bbigham
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RE: Thought you might like to see - 8/14/2001 23:36:00
Hello... you may already have all the feedback you need, but I just had to take a look. Very interesting! Like so many others, though, it wouldn't work at all in Netscape (I use 4.77) and although the scrolling news window is great looking, I had a bit of trouble manipulating it. Maybe my reflexes aren't what they used to be, but trying to get it to stop where I wanted it to was a bit tricky. Barbara
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NetWearz
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RE: Thought you might like to see - 12/30/2001 18:16:27
Actually barbara that is a revamped look u are seeing now. Nothing like what i had originally made. Sorry but the drop down menus wont work in older browsers. I think they are the best drop down menus you can create. Once i get it complete i will present it here. I think you will find some very interesting elements in the website. Update the browser!
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raypasnen
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RE: Thought you might like to see - 12/31/2001 3:03:55
That is very confusing to me. I guess anyone who goes to your site will know what they're doing.? The whole thing is a little scary to me. I got a run time error from one of the drop downs . I don't know which one but, it was something that automatically started to download. This is a little turn off for me. Things that begin to download automatically with no warning. Same with the contact section. I think it should go to a page with everyone's name and a little sign that says click here to email. Nice graphics. Um.. I just spent ten minutes there and I still have no idea what the site is about. I'm using NN 4.73. It stopped long before it downloaded, "javascript error". I cut and pasted to IE 5.50 and it loaded quick (2 sec) with cable in NYC.
-Ray www.raypasnen.com
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