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Gil Harvey
The Host Factory
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"Indecision may or may not be my problem"

Please ditch them. Might look good to you, but as a surfer, I usually keep right on going when I have to deal with frames....

If there's anything I've learned from Outfront, it's tables, tables, tables.

No problem with the colors, the subject matter really IS dry, at least to me, but meaningful to the right crowd.

Other than that, pretty nice site.

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Bagpipes, there's only nine notes, how hard can it be?

http://www.napmdallas.org/index.html

Keep in mind that I don't have any graphics package to spiff it up with (that's in the works) and I've been pretty much flying by the seat of my pants as I've built this and received input from the other members - we didn't really have a plan for how we wanted it to look and function when we started. Also, it IS a site dedicated to a pretty boring bunch of folks (myself included).

I'm about ready to get a graphics package to use and when that's on my computer I plan to do some major re-designing. But.... what do you think? Better? Worse?

I would lose the navigation that you are using. It puzzled me for a while - I could see it in the code and couldn't figure out where it was on the page - and I use the internet a LOT!! Your navigation should be a no brainer. What you are using is more suited to news items or something than to a sites main navigation. You really need to have navigation in the same place on each page of your site - it makes users feel secure.

I see you are using FP 2000 - you should have Image Composer on the second disc. It is a pretty good graphics programme, certainly well up to creating good graphics for your site and it will cost you nothing, I use it an awful lot and get good results and it is easy to learn.

Another good way to learn is to buy a template - they only cost a few dollars and even if you do not use the one you buy, playing with it will teach you a lot about setting out pages effectively.

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LinKKs - Kilkenny's Online Magazine

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[This message has been edited by abbeyvet (edited 10-22-2001).]

thanks again,

Good luck.

keith

I'm in total agreement with Katherine on this one, especially the template solution. Shop where you wish, but you will find a pretty excellent selection right here at Outfront at extremely reasonable prices(and I'm not getting any $$$ for this endorsement so you can believe it). I've used a couple and believe me, you can't beat the ease with which you get a beautiful site going... but here's the really GREAT part... you get fantastic support and in many cases get to talk with the authors of the templates when you need help with installation or modification.

As for Swish or Flash...don't get tempted by it. It's flamboyant and flashy, but it takes forever to load, and ticks off many surfers (myself included) when they have to sit there and wait for it to load. Maybe a couple of years down the road when all the line speeds and CPU's run faster, it might not be a big deal, but for now, it's pretty much just a resource hog.

Have a great one.... good luck

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Bagpipes, there's only nine notes, how hard can it be?

I have tried swish and indeed many outfront templates include some swish .. take a look and see what you think at www.mittagongvet.com.au

I agree that many flash sites are time consuming to load - just take a look at www.petalia.com and do a search for some vets. there and see how tedious it is to get to the point.

Cheers

Keith McKellar Stewart

Seriously, I wasn't having a go at you... Merely expressing an opinion. You are correct that there are other templates available and some with Swish, and some that might suit an individual better.

It's easy for newbies (and I don't really exclude myself in this category) to become enthralled by technology such as Swish.

I'm just a bit partial to the folks here at Outfront and the support, cheerfulness, and friendliness that I witness here every single day.

Sorry if my post sounded any other way, it certainly wasn't intentional.

Cheers

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Bagpipes, there's only nine notes, how hard can it be?

Content is/was/will always be King. I'd much rather visit a site lacking in graphics and pizzazz than one that's lacking in good content. Fast to load and easy to get to can make a site a joy to view.

Nothing wrong with using frames in my own opinion, but you have a lot more bases to cover (noframes content, search engines, usability, etc) and often you can do the same job without them with much less effort.

I agree about the menu. It didn't take me long to catch on this time, but the first time I came to a site with this kind of menu I was absolutely lost for too long. You're going to lose some people there. If you keep it, be sure to also have some "normal" text links as an alternate navigation. Instead of the "site map", it's nice to have a consistent full navigation on every page.

I'd get rid of some of that extra white space at the bottom of the home page. (details, details )

If you want to give it a more professional feel without much work, then templates are nice. If you like what you are doing and having fun at it... keep after it, you're doing fine!

Linda

ps - be sure to check in Netscape... in version 4.7 some of the text is off a bit from how it shows in IE.

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[This message has been edited by LB (edited 10-23-2001).]

Links to other sites are always appreciated. We have often mentioned Karey's sites in the past... last time I went to post one of them, I came up with a dead link though. Either I had the url wrong, or she had stopped using it. Another site that has some nice templates is www.icemocha.com . First and foremost, the Outfront forums have ALWAYS been about helping each other.... if you are looking for templates, you aren't limited just to the ones here. (though don't miss checking ours out too )

Linda

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