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What is a table? - 1/19/2004 20:50:16
What is a table and what do you use them for? I have created a site for my son www.jasoncoolsite.com but did not use any tables. I read where someone said everything should go inside a table.
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David
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RE: What is a table? - 1/19/2004 21:27:27
Hi David,
How about Clicking Here to find out a little on using tables.
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RE: What is a table? - 1/20/2004 0:01:52
Bobby, it's been awhile since I've been on these posts, but in the past on these forums, many have told me that everything should go into a table. Could you give us some examples on when not use them?
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RE: What is a table? - 1/20/2004 3:43:37
When not to use tables?? When the layout is designed for certain things to overlap, which is when you start using Div Layers. I just use tables to get the whole page centered on the page, so it looks good on all screen sizes
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RE: What is a table? - 1/20/2004 8:28:55
Can some of you check out my son's site www.jasoncoolsite.com and tell me if you think I need to put pictures or anything else in a table. Thanks, I appreciate it.
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RE: What is a table? - 1/20/2004 8:36:12
Is this your first site?? If so, it's not a bad effort, but you have made a bad job on the coding (even though you used FP) Really for a decent layout you want to use a script something like this, if using tables:
<html>
<head>
<title>Your Web Page</title>
<link rel="stylesheet" ref="style.css" type="text/css">
</head>
<body>
<center>
<table width=750>
<tr>
<td colspan="2">
Your Header or Top Image In Here
</td>
<td width=50>
Put your page links in here
</td>
<td width=700>
Page Content in here
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td colspan="2" align="right">
Copyright and back to top link in here
</td>
</tr>
</table>
</body>
</html>
In the expample I have used an external CSS style sheet to format the page, but you can use what ever formatting type you like, whether it is internal or external CSS, or old fashioned <font> tags
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RE: Reply to GIO - 1/20/2004 10:18:21
Yes, this is my first site. I know less than nothing about coding LOL. All I did was drag or insert what I wanted on the pages and let front page do the coding.
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RE: What is a table? - 1/20/2004 10:25:31
Giomanach , please tell me if I'm out of line because I don't mean to be, but using script, internal and external css pages, etc.. is well beyond beginners. The reason I use frontpage is because you don't really need to know a lot of that unless you are creating pages from scratch and not using a template. For any beginner, I really reccomend buying a template and tear it apart and see how it was made. Your thoughts?
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RE: What is a table? - 1/20/2004 12:38:51
Tables are the easiest way to lay out a simple page design... if you're going to create a page a table is better than nothing, and for beginners or hobbiests it's probably the best way to start...
I learned CSS late, and I really wish that someone had told me about it sooner. It's not terribly difficult in concept, and after a while it becomes a simple task to create a style sheet.
The most exciting part for me was that I no longer had to go into every page on a web (some well over 100 pages) to change things like font, colors, etc.
Using CSS for styles and positioning I can completely redesign a web page from the style sheet and it changes every page!
Even if you use tables for your positioning (and there is NOTHING wrong with that, by the way) you should learn the basics of style handling with CSS... it's going to save you tons of time down the road.
The terminology isn't really new to anyone who knows HTML. (Which is nothing more than a set of tags, it's the most basic "programming" on the planet... once you learn it you'll wonder why you waited so long)
It might even be as simple as copying someone elses CSS and changing the fonts, style, size, color, etc. to match what you want on your site... I reuse the same style sheet for all my sites and just modify it where it needs to be done.
Positioning (layout) is the most difficult part of CSS to get used to... since it takes a bit of trial and error... but declaring your page styles gets to be a lot of fun, and makes revisions a snap.
I'd encourage anybody to learn CSS (though if you haven't taken a few minutes to learn the ins and outs of HTML... start there first)
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RE: What is a table? - 1/20/2004 15:03:25
Bobby, I have not learned CSS other than have gone in and changed a font or color. Are you saying if you use CSS for positioning, that you would not use tables then?
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RE: What is a table? - 1/20/2004 22:18:11
davidwilp, your home page does not render well in older Netscape Browsers like in versions 4.7. Tables would sure help in that area.
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RE: What is a table? - 1/21/2004 0:00:47
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Are you saying if you use CSS for positioning, that you would not use tables then?
I use both from time to time, but I'd say CSS now makes up about 85% of the sites I build. I still use tables where applicable tho... like in the body where a tabular layout is needed to display content.
For overall site layout I prefer CSS now that I've learned it. It's so much more versatile.
For anybody starting out it's probably best to start off with declaring styles in the CSS and save positioning layers for when you get used to it.
Again, there's nothing wrong with tables for layout in many cases, and a table is better than nothing. As long as it looks good and you get the layout and design you are after then work with what's best for you...
Deffinitely take the time to learn HTML and at least basic CSS... it will more than pay off in the long run.
I spent three years redesigning my website over and over again. Since I did it in CSS I haven't touched it again. Not everybody likes the design, but it suits me and it would be impossible (well, at least more difficult) using a table...
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your home page does not render well in older Netscape Browsers like in versions 4.7
As far as that goes I've gone away from catoring to older browsers. Technology is moving fast, and if those 1.5% of visitors don't want to download a free upgrade to keep up they can deal with ugly, poorly rendered pages...
Then again, I'm not relying on my website as income... it's a hobby, so I have the luxury of chosing to build for myself.
That's just my cynical 2 cents 
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RE: What is a table? - 1/21/2004 3:39:37
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ORIGINAL: Sid
Bobby, I have not learned CSS other than have gone in and changed a font or color. Are you saying if you use CSS for positioning, that you would not use tables then?
Sid
CSS is used for positioning DIV layers rather than tables. You can use CSS with table based websites to colour the font and hyperlinks. You can position a table with it, the most your likely to do is center, left or right align it.
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RE: What is a table? - 1/21/2004 8:11:32
Thanks Treetops, Gio and everyone else who replied.
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