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fleur

 

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? %age who scroll down past 1st screen ? - 2/26/2004 5:56:28   
Hi all

I'm interested in finding out from as many of you as possible whether you tend to scroll down the home page to see past the 1st screen.

The reason is I have a dilemma with my website - not sure how to position the info or how to fit more on 1st screen you see!

In case you're curious, the URL is http://www.ChangeFacilitators.com

Thanks for all your feedback, on this and any other bits you'd like to comment on :)

fleur
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RE: ? %age who scroll down past 1st screen ? - 2/26/2004 7:01:34   
I for one have no problem scrolling past the "1st screen" but not too far. 2 screens are OK and maybe 3 if it's interesting but not much more than that. I'd rather have a new page. The page in your link seemed OK to me and you might be able to squeeze a little more into it. MHOO

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RE: ? %age who scroll down past 1st screen ? - 2/26/2004 8:12:33   
Thanks Mike

Can you tell me what MHOO means please? :) (...bet you can tell I'm a newbie to web stuff and forums!)


fleur :)

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RE: ? %age who scroll down past 1st screen ? - 2/26/2004 8:18:49   
Nice photogallery by the way - thanks for sharing it!

PS I love the b&w photo of you on your profile :)

m

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RE: ? %age who scroll down past 1st screen ? - 2/26/2004 11:57:22   
ditto on Mike. I will scroll two screens normally.

quote:

Can you tell me what MHOO means please?


My humble opinion only, I believe.

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fleur

 

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RE: ? %age who scroll down past 1st screen ? - 2/26/2004 12:07:58   
thanks Brian

I was wondering about this particularly as my home page is about a screen and a half long, and there's an important part that's hidden when you first get to that page.

I've tried switching the stuff around, but then I'm afraid some of the people who are browsing the site looking for practical help (this is aimed at SMEs) may think it's not for them and just leave. So it's good to know most people would at least scroll down on screen (I know I do as well, but then that's me!)

fleur :)

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RE: ? %age who scroll down past 1st screen ? - 2/27/2004 18:11:06   
Brian is completely correct as is Mike. What I suggest you do (it is what I do) is look at it on a laptop and use the pagedown key. Two pagedowns fine, as Mike says above three is mostly ok. Anything more than that and I trim the text like crazy.

Liberal use of return to top links are helpful too :-)

(Nice site btw but text size is a bit small. I'd go for .95em or 1em in your style sheet if I were you. Slightly OT here but as I've said this so often in the css forum I sdon't think anyone'll mind. I Don't use pixels because anybody looking on a Mac gets fonts about ¾ the size a PC user sees them at. Just a detail but its the devil's own job sometimes getting that one right by trial and error. Using em or % means that you the visitors prefernce come into play automatically.)

Here's a sample to show what I mean:

body {
color: rgb(34,70,79);
background-color: rgb(171,195,172);
font-family: verdana, helvetica, arial, sans-serif;
font-size: 78%; /* takes care of that horrid font size scaling bug in MSIE */
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
}


#side-bar {
font-size: 95%;
text-align: right;
width: 10em;
float: left;
clear: left;
}

.sideBarTitle {
color: rgb(34,70,79);
background-color: rgb(205,219,205);
font-size: 100%;
font-weight: bold;
margin: 0;
padding: 0.5ex 1em 0.5ex 0.5ex;
border-top: 1px solid rgb(34,70,79);
}


p {
font-size: 1em;
margin: 1em 0 1.5em 0;
padding: 0;
}



HTH

Note to self: Using the Unix command of Alt + C when on one of the windows boxen which use Ctrl + C is idiotic and causes windows to crash in all sorts of interesting ways when you've got the assembly programming IDE open. Its not the first time you've done it either you numbskull gorilla you :):):):)

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RE: ? %age who scroll down past 1st screen ? - 2/27/2004 18:57:10   
I concur with everyone else. By no means is it too long and you could probably lenghten it a little without any problem. Looking at the content, this jumped out at me, "Moving Your Organisation from Good to GREAT!" Is it "Organisation" in the UK as opposed to "Organization"?

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RE: ? %age who scroll down past 1st screen ? - 2/27/2004 19:24:17   
quote:

Original fleur:
Can you tell me what MHOO means please?

quote:

Original Reflect:
My humble opinion only, I believe.

Quite right Brian, I wouldn't want anyone to think I was a cow.:):)

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RE: ? %age who scroll down past 1st screen ? - 2/28/2004 5:34:07   
Hey M :)

Thanks for your feedback!

WRT the size of font, I've used %ages - here's a little part of one of my style sheets:

TD.pagename
{
text-align: left;
valign: top;
font-size: 75%;
font-weight: bold;
color: #808080;

}

/* small text for page links */

TD.tdlinks
{
text-align: left;
valign: top;
font-size: 60%;
color: #0D6CA6;
}

/* main heading dividers */

TD.tdb-head1
{
margin-top: 5px;
margin-bottom: 5px;
background-color: #8FCCCC;
text-align: left;
valign: top;
font-size: 80%;
color: #0D6CA6;
font-weight: bold;
}

TD.tdg-head1
{
margin-top: 5px;
margin-bottom: 5px;
background-color: #8FCCCC;
text-align: left;
valign: top;
font-size: 80%;
color: #808080;
font-weight: bold;
}

/* regular text - blue */

TD.tdbbig
{
text-align: left;
line-height: 150%;
valign: top;
font-size: 75%;
color: #0D6CA6;
}

TD.tdb
{
text-align: left;
line-height: 150%;
valign: top;
font-size: 70%;
color: #0D6CA6;
}

TD.tdbsmall
{
text-align: left;
line-height: 150%;
valign: top;
font-size: 65%;
color: #0D6CA6;
}

I read somewhere - on one of these forums, that people viewing a website designed in this way can change the size of the font on their screens by going to the tool bar and changeing the font size to large font. I admit I haven't tried it :) and if it works I should really put a well-placed note on the website that tells the viewer how to do this. Will try it out tomorrow when I have some time!

As for the use of "em", I don't know how to use this!!! Where can I find the information please :)?

Cheers

marie-paule

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fleur

 

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RE: ? %age who scroll down past 1st screen ? - 2/28/2004 5:42:09   
Hi betheball

Thanks for your feedback!

quote:

ORIGINAL: betheball

.... this jumped out at me, "Moving Your Organisation from Good to GREAT!" Is it "Organisation" in the UK as opposed to "Organization"?


Yes, unfortunately, these Brits like to confuse non-Brits with the way they spell things :) The worst things are words like Worchestershire, which here is pronounced as "Woorster"!!! I was told (tongue in cheek) that it was so that Brits could tell who were foreigners :):):)

(I'm a displaced Canadian from beautiful Montreal, Qc by the way)

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gorilla

 

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RE: ? %age who scroll down past 1st screen ? - 2/28/2004 5:57:27   
Hi Fleur,

For all practical purposes em and percentages are the same. But to do it you'd just replace your percentages with em so this:

TD.pagename
{
text-align: left;
valign: top;
font-size: 75%;
font-weight: bold;
color: #808080;

}


would become this:

TD.pagename
{
text-align: left;
valign: top;
font-size: .75em;
font-weight: bold;
color: #808080;

}

"Worcester" Hah! you think that's bad do you? Try these two for size:

Fetherstonhaugh ("Fanshaw")

Cholmondely ("Chumley")

Mind you my mother was English and she never quite got the hang of either of my two other native languages Danish, and Irish (Gaelic) so I suppose they're entitled :)

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fleur

 

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RE: ? %age who scroll down past 1st screen ? - 2/28/2004 5:59:38   
Me again


quote:

ORIGINAL: gorilla

......

(Nice site btw but text size is a bit small. I'd go for .95em or 1em in your style sheet if I were you. ....... Using em or % means that you the visitors prefernce come into play automatically.)



M, view my website using IE6 and go to the top tool bar, then click on VIEW ---> Text Size ---> larger

You'll see the whole page in a larger fontsize :)

http://www.ChangeFacilitators.com


I must put a note on the website about this!

Thanks for bringing it up :)

PS can you do this using Netscape?

fleur

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fleur

 

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RE: ? %age who scroll down past 1st screen ? - 2/28/2004 6:06:47   
Hi M


quote:

ORIGINAL: gorilla

Try these two for size:

Fetherstonhaugh ("Fanshaw")

Cholmondely ("Chumley")

Mind you my mother was English and she never quite got the hang of either of my two other native languages Danish, and Irish (Gaelic) so I suppose they're entitled :)


Thanks for the explanation of "em". Wow, "Fetherstonhaugh" is quite a mouthful - it's no wonder they came up with something easier to say, but "Fanshaw" ??? well, I guess all nationalities have their own idiosyncrasies ! lol

fleur :)

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RE: ? %age who scroll down past 1st screen ? - 2/28/2004 7:34:52   
can you do this in netscape?
Yes! (and mozilla and firefox) ctrl and the plus and minus keys (well not - and + at the same time) goes up nicely in increments much better than i.e. in opera it works more like total page zoom, images text , everything gets the zoom treatment. the bonus of moz and firefox is that it will resize text that ie can't unless the style sheet is set up really badly!
you also don't ever get the incredible shrinking text either that you often get in IE.

of course you can also legitimately spell organise with a 'z' instead, i think one is the oxford spelling and the other is favoured by cambridge (the 'ise' possibly being cambridge one but can't remember)
personally i always go for the -ise one because it's more british without any overtones of american. afterall i like our bastardised language the way it is ;)

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RE: ? %age who scroll down past 1st screen ? - 3/2/2004 16:34:29   
Hi Fleur,

I'm well aware of it but few people are. Being realistic how many of your clients even know that the technical term for that type of software is "Browser?" Even if they do know how many actually know how to change it.? Or can be bothered to do it just so that they can see your site? Probably a vanishinlgy small number. They may not know much but they know how get to google and you're only one of X sites that the can go to. Why waste time? CLICK.

I always look in several browsers. But the whole point of using either ems or %s is that then you're visitors won't have to :). Similarly many people react badly to being reminded that their eyesight isn't quite what it used to be. I mean hell, how many times have you seen sites that say "Optimised for browser X"

I always read that as "I'm an amateur or I'm arrogant or both." And rarely bother going any further. You need (I think) to be quite careful how you word your notice as it could be seen as a milder but no less irritating version of "Optimised for browser X"

My way of looking at it is this:

One ticked off visitor = one lost sales opportunity.

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