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Shared border backgrounds not visible - 3/7/2004 9:41:22
Here's the page:
www.mousecallsonline.com/main.htm
Here, locally, they show up fine. The left border should be red, and the bottom border should be black. The left border gets it red from a picture file, the bottom from color settings.
I was going to blame it on DHTML Menu Builder, but as I said, it looks fine locally. The text is certainly there on the remote site, but as it is white, it is not visible.
Had a teacher that said "If you spend 30 minutes on a problem and you don't have it licked, move on to something else". That is what I am going to do...will check back later today. Any advice or help is appreciated in advance!
Bailey's Dad
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RE: Shared border backgrounds not visible - 3/8/2004 8:32:31
On the Shared borders - it pulls the background color from the main (main.htm) background color tag:
<body background="images/pagebg.gif">
To add a color to the chared border, you would need to put a table (100% X 100%) and add the background color to that & that should work.
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titans13
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RE: Shared border backgrounds not visible - 3/8/2004 11:20:51
Not to be argumentative, but that doesn't make sense to me.
There is an actual HTML file that makes up that border, called left.htm. The code in that file says:
<body background="../images/Untitled-1.gif">
which is the correct file name for my red background (I know, I am lazy and didn't rename it).
Plus, it previews fine locally, both in FP and various browsers. It would seem if the problem was the tag, it would be universal.
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RE: Shared border backgrounds not visible - 3/8/2004 11:26:34
I shay I shay I shay, why don't we use CSS for it all, that way it might work:
<style>
body{
background: #FF0000 url(../images/Untitled-1.gif) fixed;
}
</style>
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RE: Shared border backgrounds not visible - 3/8/2004 11:28:06
Well it is in there when you view it - yes. But when FP inserts it into your page, it gets rid of the <HEAD> & <BODY> tags.
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RE: Shared border backgrounds not visible - 3/8/2004 23:17:43
Hi Bailey's Dad,
I think I would try the table idea Corey suggested.
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RE: Shared border backgrounds not visible - 3/9/2004 13:23:27
Well, I inserted a table into left.htm, at 100%, and got the following result:
http://www.mousecallsonline.com/main.htm
The left border is way too wide, and the right side, which should be white, now has the same background as the border.
I will leave it as is for a bit so you can see the results, then will change it back.
None of this has answered the question tho...why did the page show up fine (opening it live from the web) in both edit and preview modes in FP, but once loaded in the browser, the backgrounds for both the left and bottom shared border did not show? Still stumped.
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RE: Shared border backgrounds not visible - 3/9/2004 13:27:09
Did you add the table to the shared border or to the main.htm?
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RE: Shared border backgrounds not visible - 3/9/2004 13:33:57
Added it to main.htm. Will do the opposite now....let's see what happens....
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RE: Shared border backgrounds not visible - 3/9/2004 13:40:43
Okay...take a look at the result:
http://www.mousecallsonline.com/main.htm
Same problem.
I opened the left.htm page and deleted the table, and then on main.htm, I clicked on the left shared border and created a table, and specified the correct background image. Still nothing when shown in the browser.
Now...I may have a fundamental misunderstanding, but left.htm is in the _borders folder. Don't the shared borders get their "looks" from the html files in that folder?
Corey and everyone else, I really do appreciate the help and insight on this....
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RE: Shared border backgrounds not visible - 3/9/2004 13:43:10
Lastly...here is how it looks in FP Preview mode:
http://www.mousecallsonline.com/main.jpg
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RE: Shared border backgrounds not visible - 3/9/2004 13:46:38
Well it depends. Here: http://www.mousecallsonline.com/_borders/left.htm and in there you have this:
<body background="../images/Untitled-1.gif"> BUT since this is inserted into another page (main.htm) & you cannot have two opening body tags, your body information is pulled from your main.htm page: <body background="images/pagebg.gif">
You are trying to place to body background on a page & you cannot do that. Now I see that you did place the background image into the table: <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="border-collapse: collapse" bordercolor="#111111" width="152%" id="AutoNumber1" background="../images/Untitled-1.gif"> - I am not certain why it is not picking it up though. You might try background="/images/Untitled-1.gif" & see if it picks it up relatively.
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RE: Shared border backgrounds not visible - 3/13/2004 21:41:30
No success. Still trying...here is more detail...
Here is the page in question:
http://www.mousecallsonline.com/main.htm
Here is a pic of what it looks like when I am editing it live in FP:
http://www.alanreeves.com/mouseproblem.htm
Now...notice....when I open the site live, the shared borders on left and bottom have their own backgrounds. The left side uses a red image file, the bottom just uses the color black. It looks right no matter if I am in design or preview mode.
When viewed through a browser live, the backgrounds to the borders are not there at all! I am at a loss and have been beating my head against the wall for six days.
Any and all help is very much appreciated!
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RE: Shared border backgrounds not visible - 3/14/2004 2:43:46
I know this isn't a resolution to your problem of what you are seeing in FP, but one thing to keep in mind is that FrontPage is not a browser. What you see in both design/normal view and preview mode only simulate what is seen in a browser. And in my experience with FP, I've found the same to be true about the HTML view. What I see there is not always what ends up when published to a server. Since you are opening live from the server, I don't have an answer for you.
As far as I know, the page that has the shared borders on it does not keep any background information that is within the body tag from the shared border page. So, when you open that page by itself, and see an image given in the body tag as the page background it really means very little as far as the end use of that shared border page. This is what Cory was trying to explain previously.
An alternative to this would be to place the information that is on left.htm into a table, and set a table background, rather than a page background. The same for the bottom shared border.
The important part of course is what is seen in a browser. And I don't see the red background on the left when I look at your page using either NN7 or IE6.
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RE: Shared border backgrounds not visible - 3/14/2004 22:12:22
Nancy, thanks for the advice. Just one question...does FP not use IE's engine to render Preview Mode view?
More clues...I opened the site live and published to a new folder on my laptop (where I obviously don't have FP extensions installed). When opening the main.htm page in IE, I get the same result...no shared border backgrounds.
Could there be a problem with FP extensions on the server? Since I get the same results here with files published to a laptop running XP Home....
We know this should work. While I appreciate what Corey said above, if the main.htm page was meant to overwrite backgrounds of shared borders, why would Microsoft have included the functionality of having specific background images/colors for shared borders?
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RE: Shared border backgrounds not visible - 3/14/2004 23:26:18
shared borders. what a hassle. consider some other means of putting duplicate content on your pages. "Includes" perhaps...
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RE: Shared border backgrounds not visible - 3/15/2004 15:29:35
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ORIGINAL: titans13
Nancy, thanks for the advice. Just one question...does FP not use IE's engine to render Preview Mode view?
Yes, FP does use the IE engine for preview, but as I said, it is still not a full browser, and is not going to behave as one.
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More clues...I opened the site live and published to a new folder on my laptop (where I obviously don't have FP extensions installed). When opening the main.htm page in IE, I get the same result...no shared border backgrounds.
Could there be a problem with FP extensions on the server? Since I get the same results here with files published to a laptop running XP Home....
I would expect you to get the same consistent results, of not seeing the shared borders background, in any situation, because it doesn't have to do with FP extensions, but with basic html - only one <body> tag pair allowed per page.
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We know this should work. While I appreciate what Corey said above, if the main.htm page was meant to overwrite backgrounds of shared borders, why would Microsoft have included the functionality of having specific background images/colors for shared borders?
I'm not sure who "we" is that thinks it should work, but as far as I know, it has always worked the way I (and Corey) have described. The main.htm page is not overwriting the backgrounds, it is just not utilizing anything that is specified within that body tag. Again, it goes back to basic html. As to why Microsoft would have included this, or any functions for that matter, is a bigger mystery than either of us can determine. Another good example of their logic/thoughts are "hover buttons" but that is a topic for another day. *S*
Lastly, ellipses has mentioned a better way of doing things, suggesting the includes instead of the shared borders - however, any page background for them will also not show up when the page is on a server. Includes will offer more flexibility in other ways though.
Nancy
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