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AngellGW -> Disappearing FP 98 PWS and whether to upgrade (6/19/2001 14:53:00)

I have FrontPage 98 and I have created a large web page using this software, with a FrontPage 98 compatible Theme distributed by Pixel Mill. (No offense - I just found you guys.) I do not want to compromise the present web page when I go to update it, and I have hesitated to update to a later version of FrontPage because I have never really been happy with FP 98 because the FP 98 PWS keeps disappearing.

The problem is, my personal web server in FP 98 seems to "self-delete" for anomalous reasons - usually as I attempt to fix complications that come up with my ISP connection. I have required a number of tech support calls involving this problem and, presently, my personal web server is gone again. I dread attempting to set this up again and I deeply resent Microsoft for creating this "bug" in FrontPage. (I always feel that Microsoft develops buggy software to force us to pay more money by upgrading.)

I would like to know if Front Page 2002 would automatically fix this problem for good and if it would allow me to keep my present FP98-created web page intact, WITH ITS PRESENT PIXEL MILL THEME, such that I can update it without problems using FP 2002. Also, I do NOT want to be forced to upgrade to any other software if I get FP 2002. I use Windows 98, second edition and Office 2000. Should I stay with my present FrontPage or upgrade? (Please advise me based upon my needs, not Microsoft's desire for profit . . . Sorry to be so blunt, but I've learned the hard way . . .)
(THIS WAS INITIALLY COMPOSED FOR MICROSOFT TO ADDRESS, HENCE THE WORDING . . .but they seem to have dropped their support program.)





tarheel -> RE: Disappearing FP 98 PWS and whether to upgrade (6/19/2001 17:59:00)

Yes, by all means upgrade to FP 2000 at least. I have not upgraded to 2002 yet, but will when I get time.

You can eliminate your problem with the PWS by not using it. Do all your editing live on the host server. I have a huge FP website http://yosemitefun.com that was started in FP 98 and migrated to FP2000 without a problem. I NEVER use PWS for the reasons you state; it has a mind of it's own.

As far as the pixel mill theme is concerned, you should have no problem with it. Themes are not version sensitive that I'm aware of, so just go for it.

Phil

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AngellGW -> RE: Disappearing FP 98 PWS and whether to upgrade (6/20/2001 20:29:00)

Thanks for your reply Tarheel,
My problem is that I cannot even open my webs without the FP PWS! I get a message that says, "No server at Port 80 at'127.0.0.1'" when I try to open any web. I got the same message before, reinstalled FP PWS then got <http://501> error, whatever that is - so I got M$ tech support on the line Looking over my notes concerning the last time (before M$ quit supporting FP) their technician had me completely (completely) uninstall FrontPage and reinstall it . . . hours of work to get it up and running again - and all for what? This #$F&#*#%# crap costs too much to be giving so many problems. I already bought MS FrontPage 2002, but I have not opened the box yet. I need to know if installing 2002 over 98 will likely fix the problem. I do not want to have to keep going through all this - especially since Micro$oft charges big bucks to support their garbage and now limits my ability to reinstall FP 2002 if I have problems with it! I would consider not using the PWS if I could just open my webs in FrontPage. My ISP said the biggest amount of code change in FP 2002 was to limit our ability to use the product or reinstall it, if necessary. Thanks in advance for your reply. (I'm Tarheel by choice; not by birth - 20 years of nothin' finer than Carolina!)

quote:
Originally posted by tarheel:
Yes, by all means upgrade to FP 2000 at least. I have not upgraded to 2002 yet, but will when I get time.

You can eliminate your problem with the PWS by not using it. Do all your editing live on the host server. I have a huge FP website http://yosemitefun.com that was started in FP 98 and migrated to FP2000 without a problem. I NEVER use PWS for the reasons you state; it has a mind of it's own.

As far as the pixel mill theme is concerned, you should have no problem with it. Themes are not version sensitive that I'm aware of, so just go for it.

Phil

Yes, we all feel your pain.






AngellGW -> RE: Disappearing FP 98 PWS and whether to upgrade (6/27/2001 20:42:00)

WHY I DEEPLY REGRET BUYING MICRO$OFT FRONTPAGE 2002 AFTER MY NIGHTMARES WITH FRONTPAGE 98

From the very beginning, during the installation of FrontPage 98, I had problems installing the Microsoft Personal Web Server. This is an essential component for a one-person/one computer approach to developing and maintaining a web site - especially for a person with my limited level of expertise. However, after installing the Personal Web Server with detailed tech support, this Web Server component strangely vanished from my hard drive. Over the process of completely importing my large web site into FrontPage 98, upgrading it and posting it to the web, I required more very involved technical support to reinstall the Personal Web Server. There is no question in my mind, after a detailed study of this situation, that faulty software by Microsoft is behind the problem.

When the FP Personal Web Server disappears, I cannot access my web pages to update or add to them. As a one-person business, I depend on my web site because it makes the difference on whether I make a living. Two weeks ago, I bought FrontPage 2002, but I left it in the box because I was fearful that it would not solve my problems. I researched my problem and possible solutions throughout the World Wide Web, including the Microsoft "support" site, to the wee hours.

Finally, trusting that Microsoft would have resolved the server problem in the FrontPage 2002 Upgrade, I opened the box to install the product. I was shocked at the new level to which Microsoft has fallen! First, although the "System Requirements" specifications on the outside of the box indicated that my Windows 98-2 OS met the requirements for use of the software, MICROSOFT LIED ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BOX! At the very beginning of the meager, almost comic-book sized manual, Micro$oft informed me that some of those nice new upgrade features, like the FrontPage 2002 Server Extensions and the new SharePoint Team Services, require newer versions of Windows OS (excluding Me) to work. So, I am faced with the additional considerable expense of having to upgrade my OS - or I cannot use what I paid for based upon the claims on the outside of the box! Nowhere, in my research of this product, have I come up with these limitations. Additionally, the mini-manual (Microsoft Press sells the full manual) informs me that I must use the FrontPage 98 Personal Web Server with 2002, since I have not upgraded to the later operating system.

The problem is - I HAVE NO FRONTPAGE PERSONAL WEB SERVER! It disappeared again, with no clue to me as to how or why. I have already been through at least three complicated re-installations, requiring tech support and the disappearing problem has yet to be fixed. The FrontPage experts outside Microsoft tell me they gave up on the faulty server a long time ago, but they have other options given their expertise and resources for building and testing web pages. Remember, I am a one-person, one computer operation. With my configuration, I cannot access my web page files on the computer! When I called yet again for tech support, Microsoft told me that they no longer provide any type of unpaid support for the "older" FrontPage 98 product - regardless of its recurring faulty web server problems. This was IN SPITE of the fact that the 98 web server was required with installation (with claimed free support) of the FrontPage 2002 product. I bought an "upgrade" that didn't upgrade the most essential component I upgraded for! The new stuff was coded ONLY for Windows 2000/NT - regardless of what the box said. Then Micro$oft wanted more money to fix their problem.

None of this is new to me - it's just the worst so far. Beyond all the Windows problems, there was Office 97: released prematurely to compete with the WordPerfect Suite and so unusable for the first several months before the " SR patches" that it cost my one-person business thousands in lost income. I bought the WordPerfect suite and it finally saved me. I don't know what to do as an alternative to FrontPage because I'm trapped in it.

With FrontPage, like Office and Windows, I never got what I paid dearly for in the first place: reliable software that did the job Microsoft claimed it would do. As I have done before with Microsoft, I felt forced to upgrade just to get what I paid for in the first place! Now Micro$oft has its hand out again, demanding payment for tech support that would provide another temporary fix for a recurring problem. I refuse! I have to draw the line somewhere. How many times do I have to feel like I am being played for a sucker by Microsoft before they stop? The answer: It would be forever if I let it go on, because there is no end to Micro$oft's greed. Yesterday, the news proclaimed Bill Gates as the richest man in the world. I despair that I helped put him there - not just because of the hurt from every penny spent that was taken from my business, myself and my family - but because I feel thoroughly scammed and robbed in my simple efforts to buy software that really does what the company claims it will do. Microsoft's impunity in ripping-off so many of the little guys like me is the most certain and enduring evidence of its status as a monopoly in our society.

At this point, I believe I have no choice but to return the product to its despicable maker. Not just because I see no solution to the situation, but also because the Restrictions in the new "End-User License Agreement" tell me that I, "May not use the Software in connection with any site that disparages Microsoft . . . or their products or services . . . ." Geesh! I guess now I really blew it. Everybody knows, when it comes to confronting monopolies in our great corporatocracy of the United States, First Amendment rights don't apply.

Granville Angell
(This same post will be also entered in a new category due to the 2002 issues.)





Rian -> RE: Disappearing FP 98 PWS and whether to upgrade (6/27/2001 20:20:00)

PWS is absolutely invaluable in my opinion.

Here are some resources to help you out...

http://www.studiodeluxe.net/pws/

http://support.microsoft.com/support/windows/InProductHelp98/pws_install.asp

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnbegvb/html/howtosetuppwsonyourmachine.asp

Rian

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AngellGW -> RE: Disappearing FP 98 PWS and whether to upgrade (6/27/2001 20:26:00)

Thanks Rian,

Notice that I was referring to the FRONTPAGE Personal Web Server (not the Microsoft Personal Web Server). I discovered the hard way that they are different! One of the times my FrontPage 98 Server disappeared, a new tech at my ISP had me install the Microsoft PWS and it created problems, including creating a new directory to my web files - cutting off my existing web files by overwriting the previous directory. At the time, I was able to get MS support in removing MS PWS and reinstalling the FP PWS. Thus, I am hesitant to install the MS PWS. Also, my memory and what I read indicates that I would have to uninstall FrontPage (AGAIN!) and install FP PWS before reinstalling FP 98. I am afraid of losing all my work! Even if things reinstall properly, I have to use my PWS to access my webs. I am beginning to wonder if most others don't have to do this and if the tech at Microsoft came up with some obscure workaround that hasn't worked in the long haul! After all, why is there a "no server at port 80 at 127.0.0.1" message? I remember the tech giving these numbers as the address of some kind, by default, in my computer. Sorry to be so wordy, but to me it seems incongruous when the experts tell me you work without the PWS. Bottom line: I cannot access my webs without the FP PWS as I always get that message.





Rian -> RE: Disappearing FP 98 PWS and whether to upgrade (6/27/2001 20:39:00)

quote:
Originally posted by AngellGW:
After all, why is there a "no server at port 80 at 127.0.0.1" message

Have a look here...

http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q194/0/36.ASP

Rian

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AngellGW -> RE: Disappearing FP 98 PWS and whether to upgrade (6/27/2001 14:08:00)

quote:
Originally posted by Rian:
Have a look here...

http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q194/0/36.ASP

Rian
Thanks Rian,
I researched the MS site earlier and found the article you referenced. I previously tried each of the scenarios recommended and was unsuccessful! Remember, this was so complicated that during the no-pay support period, MS put me with their developer consultant technicians to get my FP PWS properly reinstalled.






davebukouricz -> RE: Disappearing FP 98 PWS and whether to upgrade (6/28/2001 20:18:00)

After much of the same frustrations, I "upgraded" from FP PWS to the MS PWS. It has been a real treat as the MS PWS seems ever so much more stable and the feel of a "real" server environment. Forms now work as they should, the PWS is always there and running. I would highly recommend the change if you can. My experience with the FP PWS was always hit or or miss. I set up a classroom once for an 8 hour FP98 course, 13 machines, easily half had PWS issues.




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