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smcfarland Posts: 680 From: Nashville, TN Status: offline	Is there such a thing??? - 3/31/2004 16:59:49 I switched servers a few months back... and now my websites have pretty much dropped off of the face of the earth (well off of google anyway). Anyone have this problem switching hosts? Any one else having problems with ranking issues? I know I don't have a dedicated IP anymore but I don't think there is anything else that has changed. :( _____________________________ Summer McFarland Renter's ruined our home - Wanna help?


Mojo Posts: 2431 From: Chicago Status: offline	RE: Is there such a thing??? - 3/31/2004 17:17:07 quote: I know I don't have a dedicated IP anymore but I don't think there is anything else that has changed. :( That could do it. If the shared IP you are now using has been previously penalized your sites are doomed. Move quickly. With dedicated IP's on shared hosting so cheap, why not have all your domains on a dedicated IP? Incidentally, I have moved servers for a couple dozen domain during the last 6 months. Eveything went off without a problem and Google had my new sites (new IP) within 2 weeks. _____________________________ Split Testing Chicago Order Fulfillment Emergency Kits (in reply to smcfarland)


smcfarland Posts: 680 From: Nashville, TN Status: offline	RE: Is there such a thing??? - 3/31/2004 17:26:08 Who would you recommend? I am paying $7.00 per site and have 18 sites hosted with this person... but it definitely isn;t worth it to lose ranking... although I am still getting several sales (over $6,000 this month). _____________________________ Summer McFarland Renter's ruined our home - Wanna help? (in reply to Mojo)


Mojo Posts: 2431 From: Chicago Status: offline	RE: Is there such a thing??? - 3/31/2004 17:45:35 $7 is pretty cheap, but it seems like the old saying "you get what you pay for" applies here. The most domains I have at a single host is 9. I have my sites spread over 5 hosts so I am not getting a bulk discount or anything. I will PM you the hosts I use. _____________________________ Split Testing Chicago Order Fulfillment Emergency Kits (in reply to smcfarland)


smcfarland Posts: 680 From: Nashville, TN Status: offline	RE: Is there such a thing??? - 4/1/2004 0:02:44 quote: If the shared IP you are now using has been previously penalized your sites are doomed. Move quickly. How can you tell?? _____________________________ Summer McFarland Renter's ruined our home - Wanna help? (in reply to Mojo)


Mojo Posts: 2431 From: Chicago Status: offline	RE: Is there such a thing??? - 4/1/2004 0:49:05 quote: How can you tell?? Do the sites that are sharing the IP have PR? (if you see a white bar you are likely triggering a penalty - grey bar and you are out/banned) Are the sites still indexed in Google? (what happens when you search for the site in google. Can you find it?) Something else (maybe more likely) that could cause the problem would be that one of the domains has been penalized and it is causing the IP to be targeted. You could look for this potential problem domain and if you find and fix it you may have your IP un-penalized. This would bring back the other domains sharing that IP. I had a site penalized recently (dupe content, keyword stuffing etc...). Once I removed my 'experimental' pages the site was back to PR5 and in the SERPs in a little over a week. _____________________________ Split Testing Chicago Order Fulfillment Emergency Kits (in reply to smcfarland)


smcfarland Posts: 680 From: Nashville, TN Status: offline	RE: Is there such a thing??? - 4/2/2004 20:09:45 the site is http://babysunprotection.com/ I have 336 pages indexed (wow) but I am buried deep in the results when I used to not be. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=site%3Ababysunprotection.com I also noticed that most of my meta descriptions are not appearing, but my shopping cart verbiage is. If I redesign my site and use the navigation (left) via a JS include, will that help with rankings? http://babysunprotection.com/shop/default2.asp this way the "content" is hit before any other verbiage? < Message edited by smcfarland -- 4/2/2004 20:11:10 > _____________________________ Summer McFarland Renter's ruined our home - Wanna help? (in reply to smcfarland)


OldSocks Posts: 24 Joined: 3/24/2004 Status: offline	RE: Is there such a thing??? - 4/14/2004 10:40:12 if you have 18 web sites and are taking over 6000$ a month - my advice is a simple two word phrase. Dedicated Server You will rid yourself of all "bad ip" worries, and the performance of your websites will improve dramatically. (in reply to smcfarland)


Reflect Posts: 4769 From: USA Status: offline	RE: Is there such a thing??? - 4/16/2004 13:12:37 But if you inter link your sites there be an SE penalty I am pretty sure. At least there used to be. Brian _____________________________ (in reply to OldSocks)


jaybee Posts: 14175 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Is there such a thing??? - 4/16/2004 13:40:19 Moving host should not make a bit of difference to Google unless your site is unavailable when the bots go to look for it. Straight from the horses mouth..................... GoogleGuy's advice about moving hosts and staying indexed by Google. GoogleGuy Says: [Link to quote] I moved host 5 months ago. For fear of googlebot missing the move, I was sweating it out. Googlebot found it within a day. We try to make it seamless and fast for people moving hosts. Glad it's worked well for folks. My rule of thumb is to bring both sites up on the two different IP addresses and then switch the DNS to the new IP address. After you see Googlebot visit the new IP address, you can probably take down the old site. Doesn't hurt to leave the old site up a bit longer, but you shouldn't need to worry about it. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to Reflect)


smcfarland Posts: 680 From: Nashville, TN Status: offline	RE: Is there such a thing??? - 4/17/2004 18:34:39 I have 18 sites hosted with my current host. Not all are mine, and I only use one to make the sales I was talking about. I have godaddy and the SSL cert they are offering and things are going ok. I have had a lot of problems, but I have most of them worked out. Google HAS reindexed my site, but I am ranking very low, and they are still labeling it as buybabybanz.com and not babysunprotection.com. Ugh. _____________________________ Summer McFarland Renter's ruined our home - Wanna help? (in reply to jaybee)


smcfarland Posts: 680 From: Nashville, TN Status: offline	RE: Is there such a thing??? - 4/17/2004 18:36:22 Oh, for interlinking sites... is there a problem with linking : babysunprotection.com (retail) to buysunprotection.com (wholesale) and sunraisers.org (fundraising) and having them all link together, since they will have different designs and keywords? _____________________________ Summer McFarland Renter's ruined our home - Wanna help? (in reply to smcfarland)


jaybee Posts: 14175 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Is there such a thing??? - 4/17/2004 19:10:20 Google changed its search algorithm a couple of months back and some sites, especially commercials ones got hit hard. Now I'm not saying that Google did it on purpose but it was funny that about the same time they started pushing their paid rankings. Linking sites is an odd one. If they're all on the same shared host you might get penalised. If you do it, I would only put one link per site. Put them on all your pages and you're dead. I have a friend with 3 commercial sites and his web company put links to each site in the shared footers. He got blown out within a month. I removed them for him. It's taken 6 months to get back anywhere near the top. [Edit] BTW, I'm moving a top ranking site to a new host as we speak. I'll let you know if it all goes wrong on Google. Should be OK. The old host will still be active for a month after I switch the DNS. < Message edited by jaybee -- 4/18/2004 0:13:05 > _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to smcfarland)


Reflect Posts: 4769 From: USA Status: offline	RE: Is there such a thing??? - 4/20/2004 8:25:42 quote: Oh, for interlinking sites... is there a problem with linking : Just make sure they are on different servers via your host. Brian _____________________________ (in reply to jaybee)


Rich@vtws Posts: 2 Joined: 4/25/2004 Status: offline	RE: Is there such a thing??? - 4/25/2004 17:40:47 Hi Summer, To clarify, ....if you are using the same host for your 18 sites, make sure you are on a different server with a different IP address for each site. Even then, the first 3 diigits of the IP and same WHOIS data can create a problem. If you opt for a dedicated server as a solution. You will NOT want to link any of the sites to one another. Hope that helps (in reply to Reflect)


Shirley Posts: 3127 Joined: 1/8/1999 From: Omaha, Ne USA Status: offline	RE: Is there such a thing??? - 4/25/2004 19:08:09 quote: You will NOT want to link any of the sites to one another. Why is that?? _____________________________ Everything But Cake (in reply to Rich@vtws)


captrich@ptd.net Posts: 17 Joined: 3/16/2004 Status: offline	RE: Is there such a thing??? - 4/25/2004 22:58:39 Hi Shirley, Here are my thoughts using an example of 10 sites on the same ip: 1) If you have sites hosted on the same ip.. with related themes...linking together...and none of these sites have solid links from outside of the 10 site mininet you have setup.... eventually you are going down... plain and simple. Think of the logic....its a VERY easy filter to add. However... if each of those 10 sites have their own legitimate backlink authority... from around the web... then you are in a much better position theoretically. easy example: company1 has 10 domains...one for each country he is located in. company1.com, company1.ca, company1.com.au (all with unique content relevent to services in each country).... and they each have a locations page that link to each of 10 sites around the world (very common)...... and all of these sites are on the same company server with the same ip..... they should be fine.... ASSUMING... they each have developed their own separate link popularity. If the ten sites have no links except the links that point to themselves...they are in HIGHER RISK of being in trouble. The same applies for networks of sites with different domains. And the more competitive your keywords... the higher the risk. 2) Forget google for a second... and worry about your competition. If you are in a comepetitive area... chances are your competitors are monitoring the rankings just as you are.... chances are also... that they have the same kinds of tools... or professional services that WILL identitify your network.......and you WILL get ratted out and penalized. IF.... you decide to go with a network solution..... keep these things in mind BEFORE doing it... 1) WHOIS info... try a private registration or make sure each domain is registered to a different company/individual/address. 2) Why risk it... if you can.. use different ip blocks, prefereably on different A class subnets. 3) Build a foundation first. Build up a handful of sites with legitimate popularity before attempting to link your little network together. (although.. i would argue..that if you build solid links to begin with... why the need to link sites together on the same ip? 4) Check your competition out first. See how they are linking.....where are they getting links from... how many links do they have....how many links do you need.... check their link text percentages (optilink).. etc..... Lots of people jump into this idea of setting up mininets when they really don't need to. I know this may seem like a lot of work, but its really not....its simply understanding what you need to do before you do it... preparation. 5) Acknowledge your level of expertise before you jump in. In these forums their are a lot of well established, experienced, and innovative people. There are also a lot of newbies looking for advice and tips..... and EVERYONE is after the elusive quick fix, magic bullet to the top....which does not exist. If you are unsure about something....lower your risk and increase your preparation. Its preparation and understanding through research and experience that gives you the advantage in this industry. These threads are here to guide you and give you perspectives.... not concrete answers. Remember, for every primary move you make (eg: interlinking)... you have to have secondary (complimentary moves) to back them up. Its the secondary moves that help make our primary moves count (in this example...preparation and proper link building BEFORE jumping into the interlinking strategy). Make sure you have these things in mind... especially as a beginner or intermediate. Nobody is ever completely wrong ... we just all have different ways of preparing... implementing... and monitoring what we do...which is why results are all over the map. But at the end of the day.... it all comes back to PREPARATION and LEVEL OF RISK ... and the more you have of one... the less you will have of the other. *this is no offense to anyone... i am just trying to help out some of the newer members... and even i have to remind myself once in a while about the fundamentals* (in reply to Shirley)


smcfarland Posts: 680 From: Nashville, TN Status: offline	RE: Is there such a thing??? - 4/26/2004 10:55:50 These are the main sistes I have on the same server, should they not be linked together? Also, the one I have the biggest issue with, I switched to GoDaddy's hosting (bad, bad mistake lol) -- http://babysunprotection.com/ . All of the pages are indexed in google, they have just lost their rankings. http://breastfeed.net http://buybabybanz.com http://afterbaby.com http://childhoodautism.us http://ttandme.com _____________________________ Summer McFarland Renter's ruined our home - Wanna help? (in reply to captrich@ptd.net)


captrich@ptd.net Posts: 17 Joined: 3/16/2004 Status: offline	RE: Is there such a thing??? - 4/26/2004 16:48:13 Hi Summer, If each site has substantial relevent backlinks then I might take the chance. I'd be much less likely to take that chance if they are paying clients and not your own though but that just me. Many believe that the Florida update by google adopted several aspects of the Hilltop algorythm. While I believe this may or may not be true, the fact is that it can become true with the simple click of the google switch. Worth the risk? I think not in my humble opinion Here's a brief expalnation of how Hilltop works or will work depending on what you think is currently in use. The Hilltop algo calculates a �score of authority� of web pages (over-simplified) as follows: Run a normal search on the keyphrase to locate a �corpus� of expert documents. The qualifying rules of �expert documents� are stringent so the �corpus� is a manageable number of web pages. Filter affiliate* sites and duplicate sites from the experts list. Pages are assigned a LocalScore of �authority� based on number and quality of votes they get from these expert documents. Pages are then ranked based on their LocalScore. How does Hilltop define affiliate sites? *Affiliate sites are defined as follows � Pages that originate from the same domain (www.ibm.com, www.ibm.com/us/, products.ibm.com, solutions.ibm.com etc.) Pages that originate from the same domains but with different top level and second level suffixes (like www.ibm.com, www.ibm.co.uk, www.ibm.co.jp etc.) Pages that originate from neighborhood IPs (first 3 common octet in the IP number like 66.165.238.xxx is common) Pages that originate from affiliate of affiliates (if www.abc.com is hosted on the same IP octet as www.ibm.com, then www.abc.com is an affiliate of www.ibm.co.uk even if they are on a different IP series) It is worth noting that the Hilltop algo bases its calculations only on �expert documents�. Its algo requires finding at least two expert documents voting for a page. If the algo does not find a minimum of two expert documents, the results returned are zero. Which essentially means, that the Hilltop algo fails to pass on any values to the rest of the ranking algo and therefore becomes ineffective for the search term query in question. (in reply to smcfarland)

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