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CSS frames? - 4/1/2004 10:20:17
While validating my index.htm file I always get error messages about using frameborder, border or framespacing. I was wondering why? What should I be using. The following is the source & the errors reported. I posted this in the CSS category because someone told me:
"You need to use CSS for the style directives. Once you use CSS to set classes etc. you won't get those errors...." ~ Someone
What is he talking about?
--------errors----------
... frameset cols="22,78" border="0 framespacing="0">
^Error: there is no attribute BORDER for this element (in this HTML version)
Error: there is no attribute FRAMESPACING for this element (in this HTML version)
---------index.htm source abridged-------------------
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Frameset//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/frameset.dtd"
<html lang="en">
<head></head>
<frameset cols="22,78" border="0 framespacing="0">
<frame src="me.htm" name="Menu" noresize>
<frame src="ne.htm" name="Content">
</frameset>
</html>
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RE: CSS frames? - 4/1/2004 10:29:53
quote:
"You need to use CSS for the style directives. Once you use CSS to set classes etc. you won't get those errors...." ~ Someone
What is he talking about?
He's right, but he's not talking about Frames, he's talking about the content within the pages.
With the frames, you missed a quotation mark:
<frameset cols="22,78" border="0" framespacing="0">
You can use CSS to configure the borders etc:
frame{
border: 0px;
}
M wil soon start shouting if I'm wrong
BTW Welcome to Outfront
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RE: CSS frames? - 4/1/2004 11:24:33
The idea is interesting, setting:
frame{
border: 0px;
}
The only problem is that according to TopStyle Pro this doesn't exist. Sure the border option does but not the frame. I did try this and it didn't do anything. Basically the only option that worked was border-style. So what is the real solution to removing the frameborder?
A little about my .htm files. They all link to an external .css file, so all I did was add the above to that. I also linked the index.htm to it temporarily to test the thing. That didn't work. I'm not sure what the deal is with CSS & frames.
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RE: CSS frames? - 4/1/2004 12:47:41
Elizabeth Castro's book: HTML for the world wide web: with XHTML and CSS. 5th ed,2003. has a whole chapter devoted to frames, although she does say that the W3C "discourages the use of frames".
Her website may be of some help
http://www.cookwood.com/html5ed/examples/#c15
I don't use them either - but best of luck.
Carol
< Message edited by caz -- 4/1/2004 17:50:06 >
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RE: CSS frames? - 4/1/2004 13:24:26
Wow! I am not an expert on HTML or anything but yall sound kinda silly. For instance:
Of course I searched the internet for info. on this topic. I would not have wasted time posting it unless I needed someone to answer it. What I'm dealing with here is an HTML Validator telling me not to use the attribues, frameborder, border or framespacing in my index.htm. I'm using CSS but don't have any within my index.htm. It seems the issue must be related to my DOCTYPE declaration but I have the right one. Say I do add the above lines to my index.htm the border goes away just like it should, but this is all about finding the right way to do it. I hate google, I use teoma.com to search the net. I found so much material on HTML frames, but this seems to be something not mentioned. Certainly the advice about setting the frameborder using CSS sounds right, but it didn't work. Whatever the reason :-)~
A book won't do any good either because this is so specific to my source it'd be useless. How do you think I even began making my website anyhow? Through Dynamic HTML & CSS by Dave Taylor. Then other materials. So any real advice?
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RE: CSS frames? - 4/1/2004 14:44:30
Forgive me for smiling at the previous comment about adding a quotation mark. You need to understand any real validator for HTML would naturally have told me about the error, and so then you should assume logically that it was a mistake in the posting and not the actual source file. TidyGUI tells you if a tag like that missing, and let's not forget the index.htm is so small it isn't even a question of not noticing the missing quotation. It wouldn't matter anyway because I can't use those attributes according to the validator. That means they aren't even in my index.htm now. And as I said adding them makes it simply say they aren't valid attributes.
The point of the matter is this gets sillier by the minute because I haven't the slightest idea of how to correctly implement the option I'd like. Rest assured I did however notice the missing quotation.
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RE: CSS frames? - 4/1/2004 14:52:12
also if you'd clicked on the 'explain' link in the validator report you would have seen that border and frame spacing aren't supported in html 4.01
you could try making a class {border:0;) and apply that to the frameset
you could also try being more polite as well, forum users give up their time to try and help people, but we don't owe you anything
also you might consider not using frames as they are fraught with problems, but if you choose to then try the above, obviously you'll need to remove the offending attributes (frame spacing and border) you might also need to set the margins to zero in the body styles of each html doc in the frameset
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RE: CSS frames? - 4/1/2004 18:30:52
The HTML Validators I am using are:
TidyGUI
CSE HTML Validator Retail
http://www.htmlhelp.com/tools/
As for the suggestions I am pleased with the link to http://www.w3schools.com/
Also d a v e there wasn't actually an explain option with any of the validators I was using. Naturally had there been I would've totally clicked and checked it out. As for the "you would have seen that border and frame spacing aren't supported in html 4.01
you could try making a class {border:0;) and apply that to the frameset". Thats essentially what I tried at the advice of Giomanach. border-style had an effect but the border attribute had none :-(
Hope this clears thing up a bit. I did figureout that HTML 4.01 didn't support the attributes but was hoping someone might suggest another method. There is one question I have now:
If I changed the HTML version from 4.01 to a lower one even though my .htm files in the frameset are 4.01 would this effect my site in any major way?
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RE: CSS frames? - 4/1/2004 18:46:40
Hi there everyone. I realized my question had turned into an HTML one rather than a CSS specific one. I therefore ask anyone interested in replying to visit the HTML category & seek out my revised question.
PS Thanks all for helping in whatever way you could, I shall endevour to invite you out for tea or a smoothie :-))
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RE: CSS frames? - 4/2/2004 13:43:44
do i get half a point for
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you could try making a class {border:0;) and apply that to the frameset
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RE: CSS frames? - 4/3/2004 3:25:30
maybe they will have gone of by the time you get your pc fixed - maybe it's safer if i just eat them when they arrive ;)
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RE: CSS frames? - 4/3/2004 5:19:19
ahhh
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RE: CSS frames? - 4/3/2004 10:11:50
well if i had some banana chips i would send you them all!
my computer crashes all the time, but i'm having it rebuilt soonish. It's a cyrix 333, 128 ram 20gb hardrive - i don't know how i get any thing done in dreamweaver and fireworks! still at least my firefox / moz /netcape work ;)
hope you get it sorted soon I know how frutrating it is. The other day i was using a programme written in java and had to reboot 8 times before it would work :(
it certainly puts a strain on my relationship with my girlfriend! she's caved in and said that i could upgrade/rebuild after i said i wouldn't do any more work otherwise...
btw have you checked your pc for stray banana chips/pizza/insects!
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