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valerie4975 Posts: 24 Joined: 4/27/2004 Status: offline	linking problem - 4/27/2004 7:35:38 Hi All I recently went into frontpage and changed all of my outgoing links to have them open a new window. I went into hyperlink properties and set the target to blank. Now when I go to my site and scroll over the link the link shows as [URL=http://www.the-creative-home.com/cgi-bin/site.pl?url=http://www.arcink.com] The link is opening in a new window but when you do a mouseover the link does not appear to be direct. I have had one webmaster refuse to exchange links because of this. I did not even notice this - in frontpage the link is just the website url. I tried to go back and remove the target but that does not change the link back to just the sites url. I have another site and I looked at its outgoing links and everything looks good. When you do a mouseover all you see is the url of the site I am linking to and not all the other stuff. I am really perplexed. Thanks for any help anyone can give. Valerie my links are on http://www.the-creative-home.com/home-decorating-resource.html


gorilla Posts: 2974 From: Denmark Status: offline	RE: linking problem - 4/27/2004 12:59:20 If you look at the html that is exactly how the link is specified, this isn't, I believe, a frontpage problem per se. Where did you get the link location from? IOW did you do a "copy link target/location" and then paste, that's what it looks like to me. Easily fixed, or should be, select each of those links, rightl click, delink them completely Hit the refresh button to clear FP's cache save, exit, then go back in and link them properly with just the plain link location. Then recalculate all your hyperlinks and see. That should do it. Post back and let me know how you got on. I'll check tomorrow. There's another possible culprit but lets deal with the most likely one first. Welcome to Outfront btw :-) _____________________________ Mh�ircaish Signature self-censored to protect the sensibilities of the thin-skinned . May we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. � Dwight D. Eisenhower (in reply to valerie4975)


valerie4975 Posts: 24 Joined: 4/27/2004 Status: offline	RE: linking problem - 4/27/2004 16:22:19 Well I certainly feel better knowing a 200 lb gorilla is helping me out! I changed the first 2 links on the page as you suggested but it did not change the links. I loom forward to hearing any other ideas you might have. Thanks - Val (in reply to gorilla)


DCampb Posts: 13 Joined: 4/25/2004 Status: offline	RE: linking problem - 4/27/2004 19:05:13 [URL=http://www.the-creative-home.com/cgi-bin/site.pl?url=http://www.arcink.com] Valerie, Here is what I see. It looks as though you have some type of Perl script in your cgi-bin that redirects to the url specified www.arcink.com in the top example. This most likely some type of script that you have installed to track clicks on these links. This may have been given to you by one of the sites that you trade links with. What puzzles me is how the http://www.the-creative-home.com/cgi-bin/site.pl keeps automatically getting place in the link. If you just type http://www.arcink.com in for the address, are you saying that URL=http://www.the-creative-home.com/cgi-bin/site.pl? gets placed there all by itself? (in reply to valerie4975)


valerie4975 Posts: 24 Joined: 4/27/2004 Status: offline	RE: linking problem - 4/28/2004 7:12:11 Yes that is exactly what is happening. This site is an sbi site so I thought it might be something sbi was doing. So I put a new link on a page of my other site and loaded that page onto this site. The url in the link looks normal. So- it is definitely frontpage doing it. My other website is frontpage also but I never changed the target on any links. This all started happening when I changed the default to set links to target=blank. I noticed this language right above <head> <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <mso:CustomDocumentProperties> <mso:Categories msdt:dt="string">Flooring</mso:Categories> </mso:CustomDocumentProperties> </xml><![endif]--> I've never noticed this before - and don't know what it is. Val < Message edited by valerie4975 -- 4/28/2004 7:12:38 > (in reply to DCampb)


valerie4975 Posts: 24 Joined: 4/27/2004 Status: offline	RE: linking problem - 4/28/2004 7:14:17 P.S. I wish I new how to insert pearl script - lol. As you can probably tell I am brand new at this. Thanks Val (in reply to valerie4975)


gorilla Posts: 2974 From: Denmark Status: offline	RE: linking problem - 4/28/2004 13:04:41 I presume by SBI you mean site build it? Its not a system that I'm familiar with myself but it could very well be the culprit. Again I have to ask where did you actually get the source of those links? IOW did somebody send you them? Did sitebuild give you them? What is happening is that in your scripts directory you have a PERL (spelling is important :-) ) script doing something, most likely as Dcampb says tracking them. Its not just on that page btw, I checked the source code for this page: http://www.the-creative-home.com/home-decorating.html So it looks to me like something sitebuild are doing, to all external links. Try the method I outlined below to verify if this is the case. Open (locally) the page in question. Save it with another name. Remove all those links completely. Save it and publish it up to the server. Then put in the links again as normal. Save it and publish it. Check the URLs. If it is a sitebuild problem then I'd get quite pushy quite quickly about turning that off. Again I'll try to check back tomorrow or later this evening if I'm lucky :-) Incidentally the site is quite nice. To answer your other question you created at least some of your content in Microsoft Office - probably word - and pasted it in direct. Thats where all the extraneous code is coming from. Its a big no no, with a little extra work you can get that site sparkling, search engine friendly, and MUCH quicker loading. but lets fix the important problem first yes? < Message edited by gorilla -- 4/28/2004 13:08:06 > _____________________________ Mh�ircaish Signature self-censored to protect the sensibilities of the thin-skinned . May we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. � Dwight D. Eisenhower (in reply to valerie4975)


jaybee Posts: 14191 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: linking problem - 4/28/2004 15:37:22 Hah. Gorilla beat me to it this time. See, I told you I'd try typing a bit slower. I was just about to say something similar about the page having been developed in Word. Try removing all the xmlns:mso="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:msdt="uuid:C2F41010-65B3-11d1-A29F-00AA00C14882" from the <html> tag. I don't know enough about XML at the moment (Gorilla?) but it seems FP has a problem dealing with hyperlink changes. I found the following............... SYMPTOMS Hyperlinks in XML documents do not seem to be processed or updated by Microsoft FrontPage. CAUSE FrontPage does not attempt to parse and update XML documents, because XML documents may contain custom tags or data. FrontPage does not attempt to identify or change hyperlinks, because doing this can negatively affect the XML document. RESOLUTION If you want to modify the hyperlinks of XML documents, you must open the XML file in an XML editor, such as Microsoft XML Notepad, and then modify the hyperlinks manually. STATUS Microsoft has confirmed that this is a problem in the Microsoft products that are listed at the beginning of this article. [Edit] < Message edited by jaybee -- 4/28/2004 20:40:04 > _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to gorilla)


gorilla Posts: 2974 From: Denmark Status: offline	RE: linking problem - 4/28/2004 15:51:22 You know I'd completely forgotten that about FP and XML - comes of rarely using FP for anything other than very quick prototyping I suppose. - Yes that could well be it. In this case I still think that its more likely to be a sitebuild perl script thing but if that is eliminated then the FP weakness with XML is definitely a candidate. Thanks for reminding me. I'll check this thread again tomorrow with any luck I'll be able to a bit of digging through the database too. < Message edited by gorilla -- 4/28/2004 16:34:44 > _____________________________ Mh�ircaish Signature self-censored to protect the sensibilities of the thin-skinned . May we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. � Dwight D. Eisenhower (in reply to jaybee)


valerie4975 Posts: 24 Joined: 4/27/2004 Status: offline	RE: linking problem - 4/28/2004 21:39:22 I just read the last posts and have not had time to try the fix. But I did verify that it is not sbi (yes its site build it - great for my first site but cumbersome) To do this I took a page from another site I am working on (also a FP site but not sbi) put a link on it and uploaded onto my sbi site. The link on that page was perfect no xtra language so I don't think its sbi. I will try the solution suggested and remove the xml language and see what happens. Thanks p.s. gorilla - thanks for the complement on my site. It still needs much work I know. (in reply to gorilla)


valerie4975 Posts: 24 Joined: 4/27/2004 Status: offline	RE: linking problem - 4/28/2004 22:04:17 Ok - now I think it is SBI. I realized that the link I put on my page from my other site was linked to the home page of the sbi site so it was not an external link and so it was fine - DUH! So now I have to have a chat with sbi. I have checked some other sbi sites and some have the extra language in the links and others do not. We'll see what happens. Gorilla - please feel free to help me make changes in other areas of my site. Don't worry about my feelings Thanks Val (in reply to valerie4975)


ellipisces Posts: 849 Joined: 12/14/2003 Status: offline	RE: linking problem - 4/29/2004 2:41:29 jeez, I got beat three or four times, on that one (did I mention that I think it is a script for one of her features, that is doing that...) _____________________________ one step at a time, just replace 4 bulbs with CFL bulbs http://www.climatecrisis.net/ (in reply to valerie4975)


valerie4975 Posts: 24 Joined: 4/27/2004 Status: offline	RE: linking problem - 4/29/2004 7:23:53 Ellipicses What script are you referring to? Thanks for the help Val < Message edited by valerie4975 -- 4/29/2004 7:24:47 > (in reply to ellipisces)


gorilla Posts: 2974 From: Denmark Status: offline	RE: linking problem - 4/29/2004 10:19:15 He's referring to the same one I am. If SBI are doing that then I have one piece of advice - get them to stop it. If they raise any diificulties whatsoever leave as fast as you can to another hosting company. Incidentally, www.cookwood.com - elizabeth Castro's site. Her 5th edition guide to html and css and her book on cgi and prel scripting are the only two I ever suggest without any caveats to newbies. They are excellent. _____________________________ Mh�ircaish Signature self-censored to protect the sensibilities of the thin-skinned . May we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. � Dwight D. Eisenhower (in reply to valerie4975)


valerie4975 Posts: 24 Joined: 4/27/2004 Status: offline	RE: linking problem - 4/30/2004 6:47:33 Thank you This is the reply I got from sbi. "The Link Library runs all links created through a cgi bin so that we may report to you how many people have clicked on it (represented as Click Ins). Many webmasters don't want link exchanges with this functionality attached (which is an embedded function of the Compatibility module). The alternative solution would be to create a Link page using the Site Builder. You would then add the webmaster's link in a Text Block (NOT a Text Link Block). " I know you are not familiar with SBI so this may make no sence to you. It is not really an option for me to switch hosting at this time. SBI is more than a hosting company - it has other functions that I don't want to lose. It was great for my first site when I knew nothing. But my second site does not use SBI. I will have to see where I can get with them. Thanks for the suggested books. I know I need to learn about those topics but I still don't have the easy stuff mastered. Val (in reply to gorilla)


valerie4975 Posts: 24 Joined: 4/27/2004 Status: offline	RE: linking problem - 4/30/2004 11:33:01 P.S. Didn't you tell me spelling of perl was important? quote: Her 5th edition guide to html and css and her book on cgi and prel scripting are the only two I ever suggest without any caveats LOL (in reply to valerie4975)


gorilla Posts: 2974 From: Denmark Status: offline	RE: linking problem - 4/30/2004 12:51:03 ROLFOL talk abouit beng busted! I like your sense of humour I hope you'll stick around. Hmmm. I'd have to know SBI before I could comment but that does seem reasonable if a little cumbersome. (But that's my uninformed opinion on that particular system.) If the benefits of the other functionality outweigh the slightly roundabout way of fixing it then its worth it. As for taking it further the tutorials here on outfront are really rather good. As are the forums. You'll be amazed at how fast you get up to speed on it. < Message edited by gorilla -- 4/30/2004 14:30:16 > _____________________________ Mh�ircaish Signature self-censored to protect the sensibilities of the thin-skinned . May we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. � Dwight D. Eisenhower (in reply to valerie4975)


valerie4975 Posts: 24 Joined: 4/27/2004 Status: offline	RE: linking problem - 4/30/2004 18:24:48 Actually I am a funny chick. I'm trying to think of a good niche for my next website - I want to be funny hip and cool. My decorating site is sooooo ho hum. But I started it as a place to send my clients (I'm a decorator)- of course I still have not got my portfolio up. And now I want to find a way to make a living online and ditch my real world decorating clients for cyber sales. I can dream can't I? You can bet I'll stay around - I love getting good thoughtful advice. Hopefully I will be able to give some some day. Thanks again for your input. Val (in reply to gorilla)


dpf Posts: 7126 Joined: 11/12/2003 From: India-napolis Status: offline	RE: linking problem - 5/1/2004 8:43:29 quote: Incidentally the site is quite nice. To answer your other question you created at least some of your content in Microsoft Office - probably word - and pasted it in direct. Thats where all the extraneous code is coming from. Its a big no no, with a little extra work you can get that site sparkling, search engine friendly, and MUCH quicker loading. but lets fix the important problem first yes? Val: gorilla is right on here ( as always): One of the first sites I built years ago, the client supplied me with tons of content ( which isnt always the case - they want a site and have no idea what to say)....anyway, the content came nicely in Word Documents and I pasted them into FP and its was beautiful..until I published and tested download times - it took FORVER...I was new and spend days trying to find out why. Finally (dumb me) I check the html source code. Throughtout the entire document and I mean 8-12 paragraphs per page, The code had closing tags for every tag they had put in (and sme were deprecated!) and then had openings all over again! something like this: <P><font><strong><blahblahblah>The little engine that could</blahblahblah></strong></font></p><p><font><strong><blahblahblah>went chugging up the hill</blahblahblah></strong></font></p> after that I learned that whenever i paste text from a word processor, simply paste it first into a new notepad document, then copy, paste it from there into your html (or frontpage) ..it will come over nice and clean. _____________________________ Dan (in reply to valerie4975)


valerie4975 Posts: 24 Joined: 4/27/2004 Status: offline	RE: linking problem - 5/1/2004 14:02:26 Ok guys I have removed all of the extra language. I have not uploaded the pages yet because with SBI (ugh that again - lol) you have to re--load each page through their program one by one. I figured if you had any other suggestions for changes I would implement them and upload all the pages at the same time. Do you have any other suggestions? Thanks in advance. - Val (in reply to dpf)


jaybee Posts: 14191 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: linking problem - 5/2/2004 0:06:29 Suggestions: 1. try and sort out the text on your nav buttons. one in particular is too wide and hits the edge. 2. Get Gorilla a spell checker. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to valerie4975)


gorilla Posts: 2974 From: Denmark Status: offline	RE: linking problem - 5/2/2004 11:57:05 Yikes! Each one in sequence. In all seriousness that's way too much work. How much longer do you have with SBI? If its not giving away too much on a public forum. What other things do they give you that make it so worthwhile? There are lots of hosts with very good and very easy to run shopping carts as innumerable postings here can testify. Not criticising you just very curious. Typing: I can't type for toffee, incidentally, even when I have full use of both paws I still can't type for toffee. Still haven't got back full use of the right paw and my typing has gone to hell in a handbasket. Typing accuracy has not been helped by occasionally smashing it against whatever cowering minion happens to be passing by in sheer frustration. I thoroughly recommend this method of typing for other reasons however. Smashing the keyboard against the cowering minion relieves frustration and is a better tranquiliser than valium. I don't get nearly so many interuptions as I used too. Minion productivity has soared. _____________________________ Mh�ircaish Signature self-censored to protect the sensibilities of the thin-skinned . May we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. � Dwight D. Eisenhower (in reply to valerie4975)


valerie4975 Posts: 24 Joined: 4/27/2004 Status: offline	RE: linking problem - 5/3/2004 7:41:56 Gorilla - SBI is hard to explain exactly. THe help with developing your site (ie seo, finding a niche) submitting your site to the search engines etc. It is a program designed for people new to the web. This will explain better if you are curious http://build/main/home.html#CPTMQT. It was a great thing for me when I was first starting - my second site is NOT SBI. Believe me I am considering not renewing for this site. It is a pain. Val (in reply to gorilla)

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