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bickliegh -> Frontpage - SMTP/DNS configuration problem (4/29/2004 7:28:02)

Hi, I have recently joined the forum and I have a problem that you may be able to help me with.

I have setup a test system at home to explore the wonderful world of Web design. I am relative novice. My background is in High speed IP data networks so I have some experience with computers. I have a basic understanding of DNS and SMTP which is the area I am having problems with.

The system:

I have setup two MS 2003 servers both have 2 NICs, one public, one private (198.168.0.0), host names are gateway-alpha and gateway-test.
Gateway-alpha is configured as the DNS, DHCP and routing server and is the default gateway for the private network.
Gateway-test is configured as an IIS 6.0 HTTP server and has a default SMTP server setup.
I have also setup a POP3 service
I have configured a test web and extended it to support frontpage server extensions.
I have configured the SMTP server to restrict relays to my public subnet and localhost. Hostname for the SMTP server is mail.motorhome.mine.nu.
Using Frontpage I set up a test web at http://test.motorhome.mine.nu its a simple page with a link to a form that should email results back to an address.

Tests:
A ran various tests to check email function. I can logon to the POP3 service and send emails. I can also receive emails from an external source. So the SMTP server is working ok.
I set up the form properties on the web page to send results to an external email address that is hosted with my ISP. results are sent ok and I can recieve the email from my IPS.
If I set the form properties so it uses an email address at the local POP3 service it fails.

Problem:
When I try and submit the form from the test web page with the results email address pointing to a local address it fails.
when I check the badmail folder it seems the form api email() has tried to send the mail but the SMTP server has rejected it.
this is the message (abridged version)


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
From: postmaster@gateway-test
To: webmaster@motorhome.mine.nu
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:58:39 +0100
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status;
boundary="9B095B5ADSN=_01C42DCFBFD2EF2E00000001motorhome.mine.n"
X-DSNContext: 7ce717b1 - 1160 - 00000002 - 00000000
Message-ID: <qf69aZbLA0000000b@motorhome.mine.nu>
Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)

This is a MIME-formatted message.
Portions of this message may be unreadable without a MIME-capable mail program.

--9B095B5ADSN=_01C42DCFBFD2EF2E00000001motorhome.mine.n
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unicode-1-1-utf-7

This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.

Delivery to the following recipients failed.

enquiries@motorhome.mine.nu

--9B095B5ADSN=_01C42DCFBFD2EF2E00000001motorhome.mine.n
Content-Type: message/delivery-status

Reporting-MTA: dns;motorhome.mine.nu
Received-From-MTA: dns;gateway-test
Arrival-Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:58:39 +0100

Final-Recipient: rfc822;enquiries@motorhome.mine.nu
Action: failed Status: 5.0.0

--9B095B5ADSN=_01C42DCFBFD2EF2E00000001motorhome.mine.n
Content-Type: message/rfc822

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Question:
Can I set up web forms to have the results emailed to the local SMTP server. The reason I what to do this is so I can pick up results emails remotely by logging on to the POP3 service?

I suspect I have missed something obvious like I need to setup the DNS with something- but this is were my in-experience comes in. Can any one point me in the right direction. Is what I am trying to do possible?

I would appreciate any help you can give.

Many thanks in advance.

Bickleigh



Giomanach -> RE: Frontpage - SMTP/DNS configuration problem (4/29/2004 7:34:22)

IIS SMTP service isn't all it's cracked up to be. You will need to get a program like MailEnable or Smartermail to get the SMTP and POP server done.

Can we see your DNS config?

You might also want to take a look here

You might also be better off getting this moved to Server Issues

HTH

Dan

BTW - Welcome to Outfront



bickliegh -> RE: Frontpage - SMTP/DNS configuration problem (4/29/2004 7:59:19)

Thanks for the fast response Giomanach.

You have some issues with IIS SMTP. Can you tell me what you think?

The DNS config is standard as of install. ie: local domain is bickleigh.local with the DNS forwarder pointed at my ISP DNS. No other entries have been made.

I will have a look at MailEnable and Smartermail thanks for the tip.

How do I move the thread to the Server issues section?

Many thanks

Bickleigh



Giomanach -> RE: Frontpage - SMTP/DNS configuration problem (4/29/2004 8:07:01)

quote:

You have some issues with IIS SMTP. Can you tell me what you think?

It's just a virtual server, and without a hell of a lot of experience in IIS development, it's pretty much useless. It is either way. It just sits and looks pretty within the IIS snap-in. Plus, it's not needed anyway, if you do your ASP or PHP correctly, you use a different form of email scripting to get the job done.

quote:

The DNS config is standard as of install. ie: local domain is bickleigh.local with the DNS forwarder pointed at my ISP DNS. No other entries have been made.

I gave you a link to one of my threads in the Tips forum, can you PM me the details within the HOSTS file?

quote:

I will have a look at MailEnable and Smartermail thanks for the tip.

http://www.mailenable.com

http://www.smartertools.com

Both come with free versions - Mail Enable is similar to Management console - requires knowledge of DNS setup. Smartermail is all done through a web based interface, ahs it;s own SMTP and POP server.

quote:

How do I move the thread to the Server issues section?

Wait for one of the Moderators to come along. Spoooooooooookkkkkyyy???? Where is he when you need him, I think he's getting his fur coat trimmed[8|][:D]

Dan



bickliegh -> RE: Frontpage - SMTP/DNS configuration problem (4/29/2004 11:09:11)

quote:

http://www.mailenable.com

http://www.smartertools.com

Both come with free versions - Mail Enable is similar to Management console - requires knowledge of DNS setup. Smartermail is all done through a web based interface, ahs it;s own SMTP and POP server.


Have download both programs and a had a quick look at the features of both.
I have plumbed for MailEnable only for that fact you can have multiple domains in the free version.

I taken off the IIS SMTP service and configured the MailEnable program. I'm happy to report that it works like a charm! Problem solved!

[:D][:D][:D]"Three cheers for Giomanach!" [:D][:D][:D]

You've saved me from a sleepless night!! Thanks a million.

It would be interesting to find out why IIS SMTP will not work though. I would have thought a simple routing of messages to the localhost would have been not to far removed from its capabilities. But as you say maybe the IIS SMTP Service is not all its cracked up to be.

Never mind...... time to move on!

Thanks once again Giomanach

I owe you one.

Bickleigh



Giomanach -> RE: Frontpage - SMTP/DNS configuration problem (4/29/2004 11:44:38)

quote:

I owe you one.

No you don't[:)]

Your Welcome



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