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mziemann Posts: 22 Joined: 2/9/2004 From: The White Mountains of Arizona Status: offline	A humble request for help... - 5/10/2004 20:02:34 Hi All, I have been working away diligently, trying to get a new site ready to go for our Holistic Medical information site. It still has a way to go yet, but I think there is good reason to get some feedback at this point, and maybe get a few "glitches" straightened out. Yes, there are still links that don't link, and pages that are half-built, but that is the easy part... I have been trying to get it to validate the index (home) page (thanks to Gorilla for the post on validation and for the links... ) and there is much I don't understand about all the error messages that are coming back. Like what can be fixed, what stuff I can just lose, what can be safely ignored, and so on... The site looks good to us in IE, but goes funky in Netscape - how can I fix that? I know it should be in CSS, and I'll likely convert over as soon as practical, but for now, we'd like to get it up and running sometime this decade! I'm learning all this stuff "on the fly" - I'm a Nurse, not a web page writer! Anyway, having given all that as a preface, please do have a look at http://drmyattswellnessclub.whole-life-unlimited.com and let me know how it can be fixed, improved, cleaned, streamlined, and just generally made better for everyone concerned. Many thanks! Mark


Giomanach Posts: 6128 Joined: 11/19/2003 From: England Status: offline	RE: A humble request for help... - 5/10/2004 23:13:43 Hi Mark If you can hang on a couple of weeks I can can do it for you Dan _____________________________ (in reply to mziemann)


mziemann Posts: 22 Joined: 2/9/2004 From: The White Mountains of Arizona Status: offline	RE: A humble request for help... - 5/11/2004 0:19:45 Thanks Dan, I'm honored, and eager for any help you can offer - it'll be (I'm guessing) a couple weeks before we can even begin to think about unveiling this website... I/we still have a bunch of content to write and fine-tune. Right now I'm just trying to get the nuts & bolts and mechanics of this thing right. Looking forward to what you have for us, when you have time! Cheers, Mark (in reply to Giomanach)


Giomanach Posts: 6128 Joined: 11/19/2003 From: England Status: offline	RE: A humble request for help... - 5/11/2004 1:02:09 For starters, I recommend you take a look at the Outfront articles for web design. I'm going to be offline at home for the next couple of weeks which is where I do all my web development and client work. I'll take a look when I get back online. Feel free to drop me a PM with more stuff that you need doing, I'm sure I'll find a gap in my client work somewhere. Dan _____________________________ (in reply to mziemann)


ellipisces Posts: 849 Joined: 12/14/2003 Status: offline	RE: A humble request for help... - 5/11/2004 2:51:54 actually, I thought it didn't do that badly in Netscape The mouseovers work, the layout holds when you resize that one box "on-line learning" has something going on One thing to remember with Netscape is that it is far less forgiving than Internet Explorer. All tags must be closed (should be closed anyway). Tables do some funny stuff with backgrounds but it is easily fixed... _____________________________ one step at a time, just replace 4 bulbs with CFL bulbs http://www.climatecrisis.net/ (in reply to Giomanach)


jaybee Posts: 14191 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: A humble request for help... - 5/11/2004 5:50:43 As Ellipisces says, most of the layout is OK but in Firefox the big problem is the menu which is all over the place. I haven't had time to play around with it but I suspect this may be due to the fact that you have a fixed height for the cell, and the Javascript menu that is generated is much bigger. Try removing the height and let it auto size. [edit] On further inspection I suspect there's something more going on. None of the buttons take you to the right page. EG. Contact us goes to OSTEOARTHRITIS. If you look at your code you've got the links set up all wrong. The buttons got to the following pages in this order..... <param name="url" valuetype="ref" value="index.html"> <param name="url" valuetype="ref" value="products9.htm"> <param name="url" valuetype="ref" value="consultations.htm"> <param name="url" valuetype="ref" value="newslettersubscribe.htm"> <param name="url" valuetype="ref" value="books.htm"> <param name="url" valuetype="ref" value="giftcards.htm"> <param name="url" valuetype="ref" value="giftcards.htm"> <param name="url" valuetype="ref" value="goodhealth.htm"> <param name="url" valuetype="ref" value="giftcards.htm"> <param name="url" valuetype="ref" value="giftcards.htm"> <param name="url" valuetype="ref" value="herbs.htm"> <param name="url" valuetype="ref" value="healthybones.htm"> The On-Line Learning box. Take the graphic "Door140x200clean.gif" out of the background. It looks bad in all browsers as it's not the same width and therefore repeats. It is also pretty dark and your text is difficult to read. It looks fine without the background. I've tried it. For a nurse you're not doing too bad so hang on in there. < Message edited by jaybee -- 5/11/2004 11:11:49 > _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to ellipisces)

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RE: A humble request for help... - 5/11/2004 7:53:01

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<param name="url" valuetype="ref" value="index.html">
<param name="url" valuetype="ref" value="products9.htm">
<param name="url" valuetype="ref" value="consultations.htm">
<param name="url" valuetype="ref" value="newslettersubscribe.htm">
<param name="url" valuetype="ref" value="books.htm">
<param name="url" valuetype="ref" value="giftcards.htm">
<param name="url" valuetype="ref" value="giftcards.htm">
<param name="url" valuetype="ref" value="goodhealth.htm">
<param name="url" valuetype="ref" value="giftcards.htm">
<param name="url" valuetype="ref" value="giftcards.htm">
<param name="url" valuetype="ref" value="herbs.htm">
<param name="url" valuetype="ref" value="healthybones.htm">

MHOO, I would get rid of the Java buttons overall. The same effect can be achieved with CSS. I say this b'cos not all users have Java Software Environments installed. I don't at home at the mo, will do soon tho.

JB - I'm surprised you haven't asked me what I'm doing up at:

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4:13:43

Dan

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mziemann Posts: 22 Joined: 2/9/2004 From: The White Mountains of Arizona Status: offline	RE: A humble request for help... - 5/11/2004 11:40:01 Wow Guys! I am overwhelmed by all your help - this is great!!! I'm gonna finish my second cuppa coffee, get my head put back together (I wrestled with code all night in my sleep...), go for a quick run to clean out the cobwebs, and then begin to address some of these issues... in between answering phones, taking orders and booking patients, and doing "nurse stuff" that is... Dan, you are right, the java buttons on the left will probably go - they look nice in IE, but are a pain to work with. I'll replace them as soon as I can find something that I can put together fairly easily that allows me to do the graduated color (red to burgandy) buttons with graduated color (orange to yellow) text on a black background, and the buttons or text have to "do something" when mouse-over'ed... I'm not the graphic designer here - Dr. Myatt is... So, JayBee, that is why the links are all screwed up - I've just been putting off sorting that out, concentrating more on doing the links in the drop-down boxes... JayBee, you are right, the door must go - it was kinda a placeholder, and never did work really right. We are trying to decide whether to do some sort of "chat" or "blog" there, we have so much educational and learning material to present - new stuff that people really should know about. How best to present it??? Any ideas for some sort of graphic that looks like inviting library or lecture hall doors for this? Or other idea? Ellipices, I appreciate the comment about Netscape - it is a bit finnicky... This is the second time I've attempted to build a website - my first attempt was years ago, and done totally on notepad - all hand-coded, and very simple, but it worked, and it sure did drum into me those basics! It is good to be reminded tho'... Dan, your nurse says that sleep is important for a growing boy, and you should turn out the light now... Cheers all, and I'll be back in a bit, probably with bunches of fixes done... Mark (in reply to mziemann)


d a v e Posts: 4167 Joined: 7/24/2002 From: England (but live in Finland now) Status: offline	RE: A humble request for help... - 5/11/2004 12:15:16 the site looks ok, but i would think twice about the grauated colour on the buttons - just makes them look old and amateurish. some css buttons would be the way to go or some nice ones done in a graphic app. when you're ready to get into css then have a look here http://www.accessify.com/tools-and-wizards/list-o-matic/list-o-matic.asp you could always just replace those java-hover buttons with plain text rollovers for now, then style them with css later on? _____________________________ David Prescott Gekko web design (in reply to mziemann)


jaybee Posts: 14191 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: A humble request for help... - 5/11/2004 13:04:49 quote: Any ideas for some sort of graphic that looks like inviting library or lecture hall doors for this? Or other idea? To be honest....... just take the picture out and let it default to the yellow background. The page is already quite busy. You know what they say..... "less is more". _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to d a v e)

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RE: A humble request for help... - 5/12/2004 7:26:18

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Dan, your nurse says that sleep is important for a growing boy, and you should turn out the light now...

Not when the local doc tells me I'm a partial Insomniac

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Dan, you are right, the java buttons on the left will probably go - they look nice in IE, but are a pain to work with. I'll replace them as soon as I can find something that I can put together fairly easily that allows me to do the graduated color (red to burgandy) buttons with graduated color (orange to yellow) text on a black background, and the buttons or text have to "do something" when mouse-over'ed... I'm not the graphic designer here - Dr. Myatt is...

CSS will do the job quite nicely, go have a mooch about in the CSS forum, I think it's in the CSS links. It's for a horizontal menu with images, done with CSS, but with a bit of altering, it can be made vertical.

Been thinking about this next bit....

The three images at the top right of the page, does anyone but me think they would look better if they faded into one another, and then into the black background?

Dan

Edit: Typos

< Message edited by Giomanach -- 5/12/2004 12:26:59 >

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mziemann Posts: 22 Joined: 2/9/2004 From: The White Mountains of Arizona Status: offline	RE: A humble request for help... - 5/12/2004 11:35:01 Hi All, I'm still working on it... spent yesterday building a css menu as per the list-o-matic, it works in the page that I built it in (in FP) but when I try to pull it into the index page (it is an include file there...) it stops working - just goes to text. Do I need to put the css instructions on the ~index~ page to get it to work there??? I'm not understanding something here - a little slow on some of this stuff... and css is a whole new ballgame for me! Time now for another sip or to of the magic caffienated elixer to open the eyes, then a quick run to clear the cobwebs, then off to work for the day... to try to figure out what I'm doing (or not doing) here! BTW, insomnia (and sleep deprivation) are a health crisis - they adversly affect cortisol levels, and lead to a bunch of health problems, including overweight and immune problems... Cheers all, Mark (in reply to Giomanach)


Giomanach Posts: 6128 Joined: 11/19/2003 From: England Status: offline	RE: A humble request for help... - 5/12/2004 11:44:08 quote: BTW, insomnia (and sleep deprivation) are a health crisis - they adversly affect cortisol levels, and lead to a bunch of health problems, including overweight and immune problems... Well you see, I domn't believ for one minute I have insomnia, I sleep fine, just never for more than 6 hours With regards to the CSS, in just under a couple of weeks, I should be back online at home. If you want, I can implement the CSS for you. Dan _____________________________ (in reply to mziemann)


ellipisces Posts: 849 Joined: 12/14/2003 Status: offline	RE: A humble request for help... - 5/12/2004 12:56:32 make sure that there is no: <html> <head> stuff <body> in your include file. If there is then it could be over-riding your CSS on the "including" page. _____________________________ one step at a time, just replace 4 bulbs with CFL bulbs http://www.climatecrisis.net/ (in reply to Giomanach)


why me! Posts: 43 Joined: 4/30/2004 Status: offline	RE: A humble request for help... - 5/12/2004 13:09:06 as a newcomer to the include file for headers, footers and the like am i to assume that quote: <html> <head> stuff <body> should not be on the page? Does it effect anything else if present? Further when using say include header, where do you put the title for the page you are viewing? Header or main page linking to header? In anticipation, Jim (in reply to ellipisces)


mziemann Posts: 22 Joined: 2/9/2004 From: The White Mountains of Arizona Status: offline	RE: A humble request for help... - 5/12/2004 18:23:04 Woo-Hoo! Eureka!! Do the "Snoopy-Dance"!!! By George, I think I've got it! I now have a CSS driven menu up on the left side - after figuring out (by reading the include-file tutorial) that everything that I want to appear in the place wanted must be found between the <body> and the </body> tags of the include file as anything outside of those tags is stripped out when pulled in... (Does that help at all, Jim?) I've also fixed up a few more little things, and have a bunch more to go - would someone please look at the "printable order form" at the lower left in "4 ways to order" and let me know if it really is "printer friendly"? (I spent much of yesterday dinking with that, getting it "just-so" and it works on my printer... but who knows if it works anywhere else... I tried the new W3C validator - and have the index page down to "only" 23 errors now... Thanks all, for your ongoing help and encouragement! Mark (who will continue to bare his ignorance, in hopes of learning more of this stuff... ) (in reply to why me!)


jaybee Posts: 14191 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: A humble request for help... - 5/13/2004 4:58:12 Psssssst. The printable order form isn't a working hyperlink! _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to mziemann)


mziemann Posts: 22 Joined: 2/9/2004 From: The White Mountains of Arizona Status: offline	RE: A humble request for help... - 5/13/2004 11:34:10 Dang it, you're right! What can I say but Aaarrrrgggghhhhh!!!! I was sure that I had linked that... very sure! But then it seems that FP has a mind of it's own sometimes - like changing the code in the include file line for the new menu to reflect the ~old~ renamed menu (I made the new one - the css one - and then renamed the old one - the java one - to "menu-includeJAVA" and gave the new one the name "menu-include" just so I would'nt have to change the include code - and then wondered why I kept seeing the old menu on all the pages. Then I viewed source, and poof! it seems the code is now set to get "menu-includeJAVA" on all my pages!!! Is there some slick little feature of FP that will do this, or does my machine posess a will of it's own???) WooEeeOooo.... Still, it would be great if there were some way I could make a change in my main (index) page, and have it follow throughout to all my other pages... but I'm guessing that there isn't, and I'm in for some work today! Cheers, all! Mark (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14191 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: A humble request for help... - 5/13/2004 14:59:54 Came out fine on my printer although your product box is a little wider than the rest of the form. I could see that in print preview as well. Where do I send the bill for paper and ink? PS. Aaarrrrgggghhhhh!!!! has been copyrighted on these boards. You'll need to ask Gorilla's permission. When you renamed did you say yes when it asked if you wanted to change all the links from other pages? Frontpage will change everything automatically when you rename or if you move a page to a different directory if you say yes. < Message edited by jaybee -- 5/13/2004 20:05:56 > _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to mziemann)


mziemann Posts: 22 Joined: 2/9/2004 From: The White Mountains of Arizona Status: offline	RE: A humble request for help... - 5/13/2004 16:05:31 Thanks so very much JayBee!!! That page gave me no end of grief last evening... finally printed out perfect here, and now today I see what you mean in print preview. Still, it is a small enough thing that I'm not gonna mess with it for now... re: paper & ink - send me an order, and we'll put a credit to it... I'll watch my exclaimations of frustration from now on - I wouldn't want to anger The Furry One by stealing his lines, though I'm sure he will understand the sentiment! I have been accused of having knuckles that drag on the ground from time to time, but I suspect a better descriptor for me would be "geek-a-saurus" or "DOS-dino", as I remember only too well the temptations that would flash through my little brain at the display of the ancient on-screen message "strike any key when ready"... I don't remember when I changed the file name if FP asked me if I wanted to change all... it was getting late, and I was beginning to feel a little brain-fried. Probably too tired to be working, really... Is there some way to make FP do that sort of trick "on command"??? Is that a part of the "shared borders" thingy? (I've been afraid to mess with that one... ) Cheers, Mark (who is struggling today to try to make the index page "compliant"...) (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14191 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: A humble request for help... - 5/13/2004 16:45:59 Now you could be right. When I used FP2000 it popped a box asking me if I wanted the links in all the other pages changed. I just tried it in 2003 and it just does it. Nothing to do with shared borders. It just looks at the page you're renaming, checks all the other pages to see if you have links to the renamed page and if they do, changes them. Without so much as a 'by your leave' or 'how's your father'! Crumbs, I'd better watch that. I'll see if there's a switch or something somewhere. [Edit] Can't find one < Message edited by jaybee -- 5/13/2004 21:53:53 > _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to mziemann)

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