Just wanna make sure I'm not missing something... (Full Version)

All Forums >> [Web Development] >> Search Engine Optimization and Web Business



Message

Giomanach -> Just wanna make sure I'm not missing something... (5/14/2004 8:24:05)

On one of the other forums I participate in, a web critique has turned into a Search Engine discussion etc. Now the author of the web has created a site, mainly in FLASH. Part of my reply:

quote:

1. Your using frames - not all browsers support frames, and you will lose customers that way.


Not a lot to do with Flash I know, but then I get the reply of:

quote:

Giomanach my philosphy is that we should move past the HTML 1.0 tags, I mean come on, what browser doesn't support frames? Most users are IE, Opera, Mozilla users. The purpose of this site was to sell laptops, and most of the people that affort to buy laptops usually have a better than 56Kbps connection and above PII 350MHz computer, although I think the site loads pretty quick and has been tested on PII.
About the flash, maybe they'll lose 90% of the potential customers that number being exagerated-my oppinion. Other more important sites force u to download flash. Even Yahoo Insider asked me to download flash.

10X for the review.


The bit that caught my attention was:

quote:

maybe they'll lose 90% of the potential customers that number being exagerated-my oppinion


In my books, that either extremely over exxagerated, or that's a lot of business going elsewhere. Someone please tell me I'm not missing something here.

Cheers

Dan



dpf -> RE: Just wanna make sure I'm not missing something... (5/14/2004 9:02:42)

quote:

maybe they'll lose 90% of the potential customers that number being exagerated-my oppinion

Dan
I agree - I dont understand the 90%. does he/she mean that 90% dont have Flash player? From what I read, the opposite is true - over 90% do have Fash player. On the ohter hand, is he/she referring to Flash preventing Search Engines from isting site? ( I seem to have dislexic fingers lately). If the entire home/entry page is Flash, the serach engines wont see the content hidden in the .swf file but if Flash is only part of the home page and there is good html content, it shouldnt be a problem. Hope that contributes to your thinking.



Giomanach -> RE: Just wanna make sure I'm not missing something... (5/14/2004 9:09:46)

quote:

On the ohter hand, is he/she referring to Flash preventing Search Engines from isting site?

That's what I'm trying to get through to him. He/she insists that they will LOSE 90% of their customers, and I thought I was inexperienced with Web Biz......

The whole site consists of a FLASH header (in a frame no less), FLASH nav (in another frame) and a frame for the content, of whihc makes the site look awful... Ummm, what exactly will the search engines read, b'cos the content is pratically all images.

Dan



dpf -> RE: Just wanna make sure I'm not missing something... (5/14/2004 9:22:54)

Dan : Frames are always troublesome to spiders. 2 things generally happen and both are bad!
1. they peruse the index page, see no content and leave w/out listing - bad.
or
2. They follow the link to the frames and list those with content - good? nope because what they are listing are partial pages - not intended to be viewed alone - bad.

The one easy partial solution to this that many designers ignore is to use the <noframes> to put in html content. Many designers i talk with ignore this becasue they feel most surfers use browsers that support frames but they miss this point. Even if the users browser displays frames ( and this html wont be viewed) you put it there to give the spiders something index.
Dan



dpf -> RE: Just wanna make sure I'm not missing something... (5/14/2004 9:24:54)

quote:

Ummm, what exactly will the search engines read, b'cos the content is pratically all images.

Dan: regarding the flash - the search engine spiders cannot read anything inside the flash .swf so you are right - they see it as no content.



erinatkins -> RE: Just wanna make sure I'm not missing something... (5/14/2004 11:04:34)

Hi Dan,

quote:

Dan : Frames are always troublesome to spiders. 2 things generally happen and both are bad!
1. they peruse the index page, see no content and leave w/out listing - bad.
or
2. They follow the link to the frames and list those with content - good? nope because what they are listing are partial pages - not intended to be viewed alone - bad.


Agree 100%. I had client who had website in frame with meta's - it was not ranked. Site was redesigned w/o frames - got listed pretty quick.

quote:

Dan: regarding the flash - the search engine spiders cannot read anything inside the flash .swf so you are right - they see it as no content.


I would never do a site in all flash or predominately in flash if I wanted a good site ranking.

Google is now able to look at .SWF files

Erin



dpf -> RE: Just wanna make sure I'm not missing something... (5/14/2004 11:12:06)

quote:

Google is now able to look at .SWF files

they can? how? hadnt heard that



erinatkins -> RE: Just wanna make sure I'm not missing something... (5/14/2004 11:22:59)

Seee the following Web Pro World and Panda



Giomanach -> RE: Just wanna make sure I'm not missing something... (5/14/2004 11:41:30)

Erin, Dan

Thanks very much, you've given me all the ammo I need, I'll just skip the FLASH readability bit[:D]

Dan



dpf -> RE: Just wanna make sure I'm not missing something... (5/14/2004 11:53:30)

quote:

Seee the following Web Pro World and Panda

thank erin..very interesting



jaybee -> RE: Just wanna make sure I'm not missing something... (5/14/2004 12:46:29)

I'll be intrigued to see what happens to all these Flash sites when the Disability Rights Commission start pursuing accessibility through the Courts.

In this country, due to acts set up 2 years ago, all commercial sites have to be fully accessible to those using screen readers. If they're not, the person trying to "View" the site has a right to sue. There are test cases just starting to go through now.

The Royal National Institute for the Blind are going after the big boys initially but they have stated they will back/fund any individual who wishes to sue smaller commercial sites.



dash -> RE: Just wanna make sure I'm not missing something... (5/15/2004 18:47:15)

Jaybee, that is very interesting; I hope you have an opportunity to update us on the progress of that issue from time to time.

Why not offer a site both in html and Flash? Am I being too simplistic? Here in Las Vegas, the hotels, restaurants and many retail businesses offer their sites in both. So do many other national business sites I've visited. Yes, it's extra work, time and $ to offer both, but if more visitors are enticed to enter the site instead of being turned away, isn't it worth it?

trish



Page: [1]

Valid CSS!




Forum Software © ASPPlayground.NET Advanced Edition 2.4.5 ANSI
0.0625