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Giomanach Posts: 6191 Joined: 11/19/2003 From: England Status: offline	So Close!!! - 6/13/2004 10:59:43 Hi All Template - http://www.giomanach.com/client/TNM Stylesheet - http://www.giomanach.com/client/TNM/01.css Now here's the problem.... Designed in Mozzy Firefox, as you do, And when I checked it in IE and Opera (NN doesn't seem to wanna work at all at the mo here), it's ever so slightly out of whack. Can someone please tell me why I get so close and the browsers go and mess it up for me? Cheers Dan Edit: Typos < Message edited by Giomanach -- 6/13/2004 11:54:39 > _____________________________


jaybee Posts: 14445 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: So Close!!! - 6/13/2004 14:24:15 doesn't look right in Firefox to me. menu not lining up. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to Giomanach)


Giomanach Posts: 6191 Joined: 11/19/2003 From: England Status: offline	RE: So Close!!! - 6/13/2004 14:31:27 If your on about the links overlapping with t'other green bit, it's supposed to. It displayes properly here, in Firefox, its the rest that won't play nicely.... < Message edited by Giomanach -- 6/13/2004 14:33:25 > _____________________________ (in reply to jaybee)


d a v e Posts: 4418 Joined: 7/24/2002 From: England (but live in Finland now) Status: offline	RE: So Close!!! - 6/13/2004 15:19:14 fix your validation errors first then see if it's still like that. _____________________________ David Prescott Gekko web design (in reply to Giomanach)


Giomanach Posts: 6191 Joined: 11/19/2003 From: England Status: offline	RE: So Close!!! - 6/13/2004 15:55:58 There's only six HTML errors in the coding, the CSS is fine. 1. I haven't set Character Encoding 2. The odd use of deprecated tags. And that's it, nothing that should affect it. The problem is with the CSS, not the HTML. Dan _____________________________ (in reply to d a v e)


d a v e Posts: 4418 Joined: 7/24/2002 From: England (but live in Finland now) Status: offline	RE: So Close!!! - 6/13/2004 16:20:54 well if you're sure... _____________________________ David Prescott Gekko web design (in reply to Giomanach)


Giomanach Posts: 6191 Joined: 11/19/2003 From: England Status: offline	RE: So Close!!! - 6/13/2004 16:31:09 I am sure, cos if I use all deprecated tags it works fine. It's when I use CSS to fully format the HTML doc is goes all funny. I suppose I'll just have to make it IE friendly.... _____________________________ (in reply to d a v e)


d a v e Posts: 4418 Joined: 7/24/2002 From: England (but live in Finland now) Status: offline	RE: So Close!!! - 6/13/2004 16:35:51 how about splitting the row above "Page Content" into 3 cells and then it might line up. and the same for the row below the main content. oh it's 'broken' in opera 7.51 as well. and in IE and op 7.51 the right column text is centre aligned but in firefox it's left aligned?! have you tried setting a class/id on the td to text-align:centre \| left? or on the individual classes within thetable cell? I guess you know you're using pixels, and it's missing a quarter of the page at 800x600 < Message edited by d a v e -- 6/13/2004 16:38:54 > _____________________________ David Prescott Gekko web design (in reply to Giomanach)


Giomanach Posts: 6191 Joined: 11/19/2003 From: England Status: offline	RE: So Close!!! - 6/13/2004 16:39:50 I kno I need to lose 200px to make it 800x600 friendly. Dunno bout chopping it up tho.... I;m more bothered about making ends meet, rather than disjointing them. I'll give it a go, but I doubt it will work.... _____________________________ (in reply to d a v e)


d a v e Posts: 4418 Joined: 7/24/2002 From: England (but live in Finland now) Status: offline	RE: So Close!!! - 6/13/2004 16:40:19 also... not that you're asking but thought i might also mention Ravie is unlikely to be on many systems, at least i assume it doesn't come with XP?? _____________________________ David Prescott Gekko web design (in reply to d a v e)


Giomanach Posts: 6191 Joined: 11/19/2003 From: England Status: offline	RE: So Close!!! - 6/13/2004 16:44:23 Well, it's on my system, and client insists on using it....... I might just convert that to a graphic too... _____________________________ (in reply to d a v e)


d a v e Posts: 4418 Joined: 7/24/2002 From: England (but live in Finland now) Status: offline	RE: So Close!!! - 6/13/2004 16:45:06 i would still fix those errors, even if it's just to rule them out: the percentage 'error' (i.e. not put in quotes) and the missing closing table tag may be enough to cause trouble. it will probably still be the same but until you fix them you can't be sure. _____________________________ David Prescott Gekko web design (in reply to d a v e)


d a v e Posts: 4418 Joined: 7/24/2002 From: England (but live in Finland now) Status: offline	RE: So Close!!! - 6/13/2004 16:47:54 re: ravie - well if it ships with XP and the client is aware that some people (i.e. poor buggers like me still on 98, unix, mac users, users who streamline their font usage) might not see it then it would be ok, but you might be better using a graphic anyway if it's 'vitally important' _____________________________ David Prescott Gekko web design (in reply to d a v e)


Giomanach Posts: 6191 Joined: 11/19/2003 From: England Status: offline	RE: So Close!!! - 6/13/2004 16:56:40 It's now all Valid HTML 4.01 and CSS 2.1 and IE + Opera still throws a wobbler, looks like it't time to rethink the backgrounds etc....Any ideas? _____________________________ (in reply to d a v e)


d a v e Posts: 4418 Joined: 7/24/2002 From: England (but live in Finland now) Status: offline	RE: So Close!!! - 6/13/2004 17:19:53 other than splitting the above and below rows into 3 so all the columns macth up i'm not sure why it doesn't work as it is... otherwise you could go for a simple border using background colours/image on the cells and css borders _____________________________ David Prescott Gekko web design (in reply to Giomanach)


Giomanach Posts: 6191 Joined: 11/19/2003 From: England Status: offline	RE: So Close!!! - 6/13/2004 23:21:54 quote: otherwise you could go for a simple border using background colours/image on the cells and css borders No chance of that happening lol. Client wants it freshening up, but they want it to look like the original.... I'll have to perform surgery on the images first.... _____________________________ (in reply to d a v e)


markhawker Posts: 511 Joined: 5/31/2004 From: UK Status: offline	RE: So Close!!! - 6/18/2004 11:50:33 Hi, what was meant to be the problem? You know the left nav bar, do you have to keep the spaces between the cells? Might look better if you didn't and on hover the whole background changes colour? I'd also maybe put the 'Contact Us \| Links \| privacy Policy' and Copyright block outside of the table? That way it's dislocated from the main part. Just my point of view! Be careful with a background image, with a name like naked monkey around... _____________________________ Mark Hawker personal - http://www.meeid.com/markhawker (in reply to Giomanach)


Giomanach Posts: 6191 Joined: 11/19/2003 From: England Status: offline	RE: So Close!!! - 6/18/2004 11:59:43 Yes I do have to keep the space between the links, and they aren't in cells!!! It's all CSS formatted They layout is right, it's just IE and Opera like to bodge it up for me...... still haven't alterd them images lol _____________________________ (in reply to markhawker)


markhawker Posts: 511 Joined: 5/31/2004 From: UK Status: offline	RE: So Close!!! - 6/18/2004 12:22:00 Not even a bit of background colour? Maybe on the links to compliment the nav? Guess not! _____________________________ Mark Hawker personal - http://www.meeid.com/markhawker (in reply to Giomanach)


Giomanach Posts: 6191 Joined: 11/19/2003 From: England Status: offline	RE: So Close!!! - 6/18/2004 12:25:24 Take alook at the original....http://www.thenakedmonkey.co.uk Client wants same colours etc, just wihout all the JS, Plus, I'm altering it slightly to make it look more e-commerce like _____________________________ (in reply to markhawker)


markhawker Posts: 511 Joined: 5/31/2004 From: UK Status: offline	RE: So Close!!! - 6/18/2004 16:45:13 Aarrgh Comic Sans! I think the layout and everything works well, it's not actually too bad a site in a way. Anyway I won't interrupt any more! Mark _____________________________ Mark Hawker personal - http://www.meeid.com/markhawker (in reply to Giomanach)