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irishmolly Posts: 7 Joined: 6/27/2004 Status: offline	Where's the bottom border on front page? - 6/27/2004 17:11:20 Hi - I am working on my website for my mom-n-pop Irish import shop and would appreciate your feedback. I'm not quite sure what I'm doing with the table positioning, but it seems to look OK. Too many graphics? I want it be eye catching, not eye gauging. Also, why doesn't the info on the bottom shared border show on the front (home) page? It shows on the others. www.irishmollys.com Thanks very much, Molly < Message edited by irishmolly -- 6/27/2004 18:39:35 >


markhawker Posts: 511 Joined: 5/31/2004 From: UK Status: offline	RE: Where's the bottom border on front page? - 6/27/2004 17:52:06 Do we have a URL Molly? Mark [edit]Found it, you should probably put the URL in here though! I'll post you some comments tomorrow![/edit] < Message edited by markhawker -- 6/27/2004 17:55:46 > _____________________________ Mark Hawker personal - http://www.meeid.com/markhawker (in reply to irishmolly)


jaybee Posts: 14191 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Where's the bottom border on front page? - 6/27/2004 20:18:56 Open up the homepage in FP. Go to Format> Shared Borders and make sure the bottom border is selected for the "Current Page". < Message edited by jaybee -- 6/27/2004 20:19:26 > _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to markhawker)


irishmolly Posts: 7 Joined: 6/27/2004 Status: offline	RE: Where's the bottom border on front page? - 6/27/2004 22:48:04 I have the bottom shared border selected in both "all pages" and "current page" - still a no show on the home page. But thanks for the suggestion. I hadn't thought to check that. (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14191 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Where's the bottom border on front page? - 6/28/2004 6:28:10 Hmmmm. To be honest with you, given that all you seem to have in the footer is the copyright, I'd get rid of it completely and put that at the bottom of your left bar. See pic attached. There is also a problem in your code that I've not had time to check into. In Firefox You can only scroll down about an inch, the rest of the content isn't there at all. Have you validated your code? Try that first. http://validator.w3.org/ Thumbnail Image Attachment (1) _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to irishmolly)

jaybee

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RE: Where's the bottom border on front page? - 6/28/2004 6:37:43

OK, had a quick look. Your tables are all over the place. You have a closing tag for the first table which is fine but then there is a row and cell defined outside of the table

  </table>

</div>

</td></tr><!--msnavigation--></table>

And again........

<table dir="ltr" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tr><td valign="top" width="1%">
      <div style="left: 1; top: 1; width: 200; height: 600; position: relative">
      <table border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="6"

That's why you're getting the problems. Tables are opened without closing or closed without having been opened.

FP is totally confused and has probably stuck the bottom border underneath one of the tables.

_____________________________

If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is.

GAWDS
Now where did I put that Doctype?

(in reply to jaybee)


irishmolly Posts: 7 Joined: 6/27/2004 Status: offline	RE: Where's the bottom border on front page? - 6/28/2004 9:50:24 Thanks for the insight, Jaybee. I know my tables are a mess. I need to find more info on how to set them up properly. I'll check the code validator and see if I can figure it out from there. (in reply to jaybee)


dpf Posts: 7126 Joined: 11/12/2003 From: India-napolis Status: offline	RE: Where's the bottom border on front page? - 6/28/2004 10:02:37 Molly: if this is too simplistic, I apologize but the fundamentals of tables are where beginners usually foul up. To oversimpify: 1. table opens <table> and it closes </table> 2. each row opens <tr> and it closes </tr> 3. within each row, each cell opens <td> and closes </td> 4. in general, every row should have the same number of cells and you want one row to have less cells, <td colspan="x"> so that this cells "spans" acroos x number of columns and therefore the cell structure is still symetrical. Often, beginners have problems for little things like: a.not every opening has a corresponding closing b.different number of cells in rows cause layout issues hth good luck (ps I need a new winter hat..lol) _____________________________ Dan (in reply to irishmolly)


jaybee Posts: 14191 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Where's the bottom border on front page? - 6/28/2004 11:34:31 Good luck Molly. If you get really stuck, come back and I'll pull the page down and play with it. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to dpf)


irishmolly Posts: 7 Joined: 6/27/2004 Status: offline	RE: Where's the bottom border on front page? - 6/28/2004 20:43:10 ... and I thought I had it working. I don't know html code well enough to understand exactly where I have things screwed up. I had used absolute positioning to try to get the tables set up. That caused all sorts of problems that I thought I had cleared up, but I haven't. I'm thinking of starting over with just a table and forget the shared borders, but if you can work a bit of magic on that code, I'd be extremely grateful. Kindest regards and with sincere thanks for everyone's feedback, Molly (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14191 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Where's the bottom border on front page? - 6/29/2004 4:37:08 OK Molly. I've got it. I'll get back to you. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to irishmolly)

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RE: Where's the bottom border on front page? - 6/29/2004 5:21:28

OK, the tables were a bit of a mess. You'd managed to get half the table in a div and half out plus there were rows and cells not closed.

I've redone the page content, so you now have two tables within a div. The top one contains the text, the second one has 2 columns and 3 rows and has the products in.

Copy the attached code and paste it into Notepad. (Do not post it straight into FP, you'll get problems)
Open up FP and go to the HTML or Code tab at the bottom.
Select all the code.
Select all the code in notepad and copy it.
Go back to FP and paste over the top of the existing code.

You should then be good to go.

<body>

<div align="left" style="left: 1; top: 1; width: 550; position: relative">
  <table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" width="550">
    <tr>
      <td>
      <p align="left"><font face="Arial Black"><a href="http://irishmollys.com/cgi-bin/online/storepro.php?catalog=10002"><img border="0" src="images/kh5254a.jpg" align="left" vspace="2" width="84" height="111"></a>Silver Summer</font>:
      <font size="3">Capture the glint of sunlight in the intricate curves of
      gleaming Celtic silver. For thousands of years, the Celts have created
      magnificent jewelry. Today, modern artists follow this ancient inspiration
      to devise new, contemporary pieces that reflect Celtic heritage in
      exciting  ways.</font> <font size="3">See which glimmering pieces catch
      your eye <span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:
EN-US;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA">�</span> and catch someone else's!</font></p>
      <p align="center"><font size="3" color="#008000"><b>Enjoy free shipping on
      ANY order through June 30, 2004!</b></font></p>
      
      <p align="center"> </p>
      
      </td>
    </tr>
  </table>
      
        <table border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="4" width="550" bordercolor="#008000">
          <tr>
            <td width="50%"><a href="http://irishmollys.com/cgi-bin/online/storepro.php?product=10002:1080532251"><img border="0" src="images/kh1280.jpg" width="100" height="100" align="left"></a>The
              charming claddaugh ring with green agate stone. </td>
            <td width="50%"><a href="http://irishmollys.com/cgi-bin/online/storepro.php?product=10002:snge001p"><img border="0" src="images/snge001t.jpg" align="left" width="100" height="100"></a>
              Stunning contemporary earrings with spirals.</td>
          </tr>
          <tr>
            <td width="50%"><a href="http://irishmollys.com/cgi-bin/online/storepro.php?product=10002:kh9280"><img border="0" src="images/Kit_Heath_pendant.jpg" width="100" height="100" align="left"></a>Silver
              Celtic knotwork with beautiful amethyst drop. </td>
            <td width="50%"><a href="http://irishmollys.com/cgi-bin/online/storepro.php?product=10002:1080529584"><img border="0" src="images/weavecross100.jpg" align="left" width="100" height="100"></a>Handcrafted
              Celtic weave cross by Fintan McKinley, renowned silversmith from
              Scotland. </td>
          </tr>
          <tr>
            <td width="50%"><a href="http://irishmollys.com/cgi-bin/online/storepro.php?product=10002:cb065"><img border="0" src="images/cb065p.jpg" width="100" height="100" align="left"></a>Show
              your heart's desire with this beautiful sterling silver brooch.</td>
            <td width="50%">
              <p align="center"><img border="0" src="images/khdiamonds200.jpg" width="192" height="148"><br>
              <br>
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            </td>
          </tr>
        </table>

</div>



</body>

_____________________________

If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is.

GAWDS
Now where did I put that Doctype?

(in reply to jaybee)


dpf Posts: 7126 Joined: 11/12/2003 From: India-napolis Status: offline	RE: Where's the bottom border on front page? - 6/29/2004 9:55:06 quote: Go back to FP and paste over the top of the existing code. jaybee: does this mean she should delete what was already there? wasnt clear to me (tho I do have a tad of a hangover) _____________________________ Dan (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14191 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Where's the bottom border on front page? - 6/29/2004 12:55:19 Over the top. IE get rid of what's already there. As opposed to in front of or at the end of or in the middle of....... Hangover....... no comment. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to dpf)


dpf Posts: 7126 Joined: 11/12/2003 From: India-napolis Status: offline	RE: Where's the bottom border on front page? - 6/29/2004 12:56:44 thank you, guesto _____________________________ Dan (in reply to jaybee)


irishmolly Posts: 7 Joined: 6/27/2004 Status: offline	RE: Where's the bottom border on front page? - 6/29/2004 17:58:01 Gloria Deo! Guinness all around! Thanks, Jaybee. I pasted your pretty code over my ugly, rat infested code and now the table looks fine and the bottom border shows up. Now, I can have a functional site while I figure out what I'm doing with Frontpage and html. I really, really appreciate your insight, time and feedback! Best regards, Molly (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14191 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Where's the bottom border on front page? - 6/29/2004 18:33:06 Well it just so happens that I'm rather partial to the odd glass or ten of the black stuff. In fact I think I'll go and toast the launch of your site right now. Slanche! < Message edited by jaybee -- 6/29/2004 18:42:02 > _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to irishmolly)