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W3C Validation with embedded flash - 7/1/2004 8:16:11
Does anyone know if there is a way of getting embedded flash through the W3C Validator? All of the commands used by the Flash SWF get rejected in the Validator
(e.g. there is no attribute "TYPE"
<embed type="application/x-shockwave-flash)
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RE: W3C Validation with embedded flash - 7/1/2004 14:52:48
True, wrong section but never mind. With regards to the validator and Flash, I had no luck with that either. Not sure, have you tried on the Macromedia site? I'm sure I did but you might be able to spot something I didn't. Keep me informed! Mark
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RE: W3C Validation with embedded flash - 7/3/2004 6:38:55
jaybee - i don't think it's the spiderability/accessibility of the flash movies itself more the deprecated tags as dan pointed out. probably.
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RE: W3C Validation with embedded flash - 7/3/2004 8:10:34
this is what they called deprecated
http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/conform.html#deprecated
i guess the more accessible the site is the more likely it is to be valid
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RE: W3C Validation with embedded flash - 7/3/2004 9:31:06
Interesting discussion
The embeded flash uses a series of "Tags" between <object> and </object they are all unrecognised see results below.
I guess I was hoping there was some way of encapsulating so the the validator would ignore and idealy allowing a "alt" type tag to decribe the contents as you would in <img> which is also not accessible.
Line 40, column 14: there is no attribute "NAME"
<embed name="message_construct" src="message_construct.swf" quality="high" bgc
Line 40, column 38: there is no attribute "SRC"
<embed name="message_construct" src="message_construct.swf" quality="high" bgc
Line 40, column 70: there is no attribute "QUALITY"
...construct" src="message_construct.swf" quality="high" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
Line 40, column 85: there is no attribute "BGCOLOR"
...onstruct.swf" quality="high" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
Line 41, column 10: there is no attribute "WIDTH
width="750" height="375"
Line 41, column 23: there is no attribute "HEIGHT
width="750" height="375"
Line 42, column 9: there is no attribute "TYPE"
type="application/x-shockwave-flash"
Line 43, column 16: there is no attribute "PLUGINSPAGE"
pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_
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RE: W3C Validation with embedded flash - 7/3/2004 10:39:43
I'm sure there's no way round this, I combined all of the tags and added them to the EMBED or OBJECT tag (can't remember which) and this sorted the problem, passed the validation and thought I was onto a winner, until I viewed the page in FireFox and there was no Flash image. Sorry, I guess some things just weren't meant to be...
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RE: W3C Validation with embedded flash - 7/3/2004 18:03:12
Dave, JB
You are both right. The W3C validator tends to looks towards sites being accesible by all, and FLASH uses deprecated tags to function.
The only thing that isn't human that can read FLASH is the SE spiders, new ones have been developed for OCR etc.
kgiles - As Mark says, something where never meant to be.
Maybe when they revise the standards it will become valid
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RE: W3C Validation with embedded flash - 7/4/2004 8:50:58
maybe just easier to live with the deprecated tags...
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RE: W3C Validation with embedded flash - 7/4/2004 8:56:45
Especially if you work offline first to test everything, then you'd have to change your variables before you upload.
It does validate though, it's not actually too difficult a task, you only need one container movie, the rest is just changing path variables.
Guess it's personal preference, depends how many occurences of Flash elements you have! If you visit the author's site (bottom of the guide) there is a pre-made container movie and a few other notes from him. Worth a read as that's where I found out about absolute URLs.
Mark
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RE: W3C Validation with embedded flash - 7/4/2004 10:38:25
excellent article, mark
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RE: W3C Validation with embedded flash - 7/4/2004 12:56:25
Thanks Mark nice article ...it looks like a reasonable solution if you really want to validate.
Jaybe "If you include the flash can you get round validation that way?".. Not sure what your asking both embedded flash and a Flash site would have the same problem. But there presumably wouldn't be a need to validate a flash site.
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RE: W3C Validation with embedded flash - 7/5/2004 13:49:14
There is another site out there that explains how to get your flash pages to validate, I think it just uses a lot of messy javascript. If anyone needs the URL I will try to find it...
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RE: W3C Validation with embedded flash - 7/5/2004 13:53:52
if it's not the devloper's fault that it doesn't validate because of the way browsers work with flash then i personally can't be bothered worrying about the few validation errors that occur: i'm not going to resort to hacks to get it to 'work'.
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RE: W3C Validation with embedded flash - 10/26/2004 13:09:02
Found another option for W3C validateable use of Flash.
external js page saved as swfloader.js with the following information:
function swflove()
{
document.write('<object classid="clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000" codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=6,0,29,0" width="400" height="300">\n');
document.write('<param name="movie" value="flashdoc.swf" />\n');
document.write('<param name="quality" value="high">\n');
document.write('<embed src="flashdoc.swf" quality="high" pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="400" height="300"></embed>\n');
document.write('</object>\n');
}
in the head section of your html:
<script src="swfloader.js" language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript"></script>
in the body section where you want the flash to appear:
<script type="text/javascript">swflove();</script>
hope it helps, i used the other way as an object but i wanted to find another way to make it work. I believe the other is faster overall but this is just another way to make it function.
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RE: W3C Validation with embedded flash - 10/26/2004 13:27:06
that's clever but fruitless if the user has javascript turned off ;)
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