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bobby Posts: 11825 Joined: 8/15/1969 From: Seattle WA USA Status: offline	What have I done? - 8/4/2004 23:48:13 http://www.bdwebservices.com/development/frontiertest/template.asp Can anybody tell me why IE is placing the funky white "border" between the wagon wheel images and the green table cell on this page? (Take a look at the CSS and all of the rediculous IE box hacks I've had to try to get this thing looking right...) All other pages are broken, so click links at your own risk ;) _____________________________ Talk to your kittens about catnip, or someone else will.


Giomanach Posts: 6191 Joined: 11/19/2003 From: England Status: offline	RE: What have I done? - 8/5/2004 6:52:15 Give it a width attribute man! As far as it sees.....you have three cells...left middle and right......it has width's for the left and right, but not the middle....soooo, it's does as it pleases. Give it a width of 100% Dan _____________________________ (in reply to bobby)


c1sissy Posts: 5094 Joined: 7/20/2002 From: NJ Status: offline	RE: What have I done? - 8/5/2004 10:05:41 quote: ORIGINAL: bobby http://www.bdwebservices.com/development/frontiertest/template.asp Can anybody tell me why IE is placing the funky white "border" between the wagon wheel images and the green table cell on this page? (Take a look at the CSS and all of the rediculous IE box hacks I've had to try to get this thing looking right...) All other pages are broken, so click links at your own risk ;) Bobby, Do a google on the IE peekaboo. I'm not sure it this is your answer, but I have read about this, and don't have access to my links. Also, make sure you have your html body margins set to zero. This helps with anything related to IE that gets goofy, and then you set them as you need them per element. Also, go to position is everything, and go through their site, there is the holly hack that I started to read about and is for IE. There is also a good amount of IE things mentioned on Big Johns site. I highly recomend it for you rigth now. Well I guess I better zoom out of this library so that we can get moving today, lol. one more day, one more day one........... _____________________________ Deb-aka-c4Ksissy high panjandurum and alpha female of the silverback tribe As decreed by Jesper 5-24-2003. The only stupid question is... the one that is never asked!! http://cssinfo.debsplace.org http://positioniseverything.net/ http://www.tanfa.co.uk/ (in reply to bobby)


dpf Posts: 7121 Joined: 11/12/2003 From: India-napolis Status: offline	RE: What have I done? - 8/5/2004 10:08:52 bobby..I am not seeing it in IE - unless you fixed it. _____________________________ Dan (in reply to bobby)


bobby Posts: 11825 Joined: 8/15/1969 From: Seattle WA USA Status: offline	RE: What have I done? - 8/5/2004 10:13:03 Dan (dpf) what version of IE? Deb - Body margins are set to 0, I'll have to check out the peekaboo deal. Dan (G) - If I set a width of the center cell it throws the whole page off... with widths set on all of the surrounding cells, the content section should expand with the rest... in fact it does. The problem is the white space around the image. The white lines you're seeing now used to go all the way around the images, I've been able to use the IE box model hacks to slip the images a few pixels off in IE only. That took care of everything but the two remaining spots... It's really bugging me... _____________________________ Talk to your kittens about catnip, or someone else will. (in reply to dpf)


dpf Posts: 7121 Joined: 11/12/2003 From: India-napolis Status: offline	RE: What have I done? - 8/5/2004 10:28:39 quote: what version of IE? 6.0.2 _____________________________ Dan (in reply to bobby)


Giomanach Posts: 6191 Joined: 11/19/2003 From: England Status: offline	RE: What have I done? - 8/5/2004 10:37:19 Umm, we're focusing on the middle cell....maybe it's not the middle cell, it maybe the other two Dan _____________________________ (in reply to dpf)


bobby Posts: 11825 Joined: 8/15/1969 From: Seattle WA USA Status: offline	RE: What have I done? - 8/5/2004 10:59:57 The problem right now is the "border" or "white-space" around the wagon wheel graphics... I was able to use the box hack to move the graphics left and down (to eliminate the white outline on the bottom and outside) But the inside "border" won't fix... Maybe another box hack to the size of those table cells will fix it? I'll check out tonight and let you know. _____________________________ Talk to your kittens about catnip, or someone else will. (in reply to Giomanach)


Giomanach Posts: 6191 Joined: 11/19/2003 From: England Status: offline	RE: What have I done? - 8/5/2004 11:05:04 Umm....create a background image of the green bit... Set it as the background with the following positioning etc: background-position: top top; background-repeat: repeat-x; You have the images in there "physically"...create a background to cover up the gaps... Dan _____________________________ (in reply to bobby)


bobby Posts: 11825 Joined: 8/15/1969 From: Seattle WA USA Status: offline	RE: What have I done? - 8/5/2004 11:33:53 Actually I'm thinking about using another box hack to shrink the width of the table cells in IE... If that doesn't work I'll keep playing around... _____________________________ Talk to your kittens about catnip, or someone else will. (in reply to Giomanach)


jeepless Posts: 230 Joined: 12/20/2003 From: Smack in the middle of USA Status: offline	RE: What have I done? - 8/5/2004 17:32:02 I'm by NO means an expert at CSS, but I did play around a little with your problem last night. I didn't solve it, but I found that if you remove the "class=wheelbox" from your corner images the white gaps go away. The images then no longer line up at the top, but at least the gaps are gone. I mention this as I thought it may be a clue as to what's happening. Also, the page looks fine in the Mozilla Firefox browser, but shows the gaps when viewing with IE 6.02. That would suggest a problem with IE only. For what it's worth..... (in reply to bobby)


bobby Posts: 11825 Joined: 8/15/1969 From: Seattle WA USA Status: offline	RE: What have I done? - 8/5/2004 17:47:56 Jeepless... Thanks, I hadn't tried removing the style declaration from that cell... you may have just hit upon something! And yes, it is IE only. Unless the Opera 7.54 shows a flaw, but I didn't see one in O7 Does anybody else remember the day when IE was the EASY browser to code for? What happened ?!?!? _____________________________ Talk to your kittens about catnip, or someone else will. (in reply to jeepless)


Shirley Posts: 3129 Joined: 1/8/1999 From: Omaha, Ne USA Status: offline	RE: What have I done? - 8/5/2004 18:32:40 quote: Does anybody else remember the day when IE was the EASY browser to code for? Ah.... the good ol days. _____________________________ Everything But Cake (in reply to bobby)


bobby Posts: 11825 Joined: 8/15/1969 From: Seattle WA USA Status: offline	RE: What have I done? - 8/5/2004 18:55:00 quote: Ah.... the good ol days. No kidding... I remember when I'd have Opera and Netscape open to check my work... when I got it right I'd make one quick pass through IE and then call it good. _____________________________ Talk to your kittens about catnip, or someone else will. (in reply to Shirley)


bobby Posts: 11825 Joined: 8/15/1969 From: Seattle WA USA Status: offline	RE: What have I done? - 8/5/2004 23:28:23 well, removing the "wagonbox" style left the space there... I haven't been able to find out if it's the image, or the table cell that holds the image. I figured out how to get the white lines to disapear... I made the background of the table green and then added white BG color where it needed to be. But now you can see that the image isn't filling the cell. I've tried making the image bigger, but it just expands the cell with it. I also tried making the cell smaller, but it wouldn't resize. I've tried negative padding values, etc. This is really irritating. Why does the worlds most popular browser take this much work to make a simple page..? _____________________________ Talk to your kittens about catnip, or someone else will. (in reply to bobby)


c1sissy Posts: 5094 Joined: 7/20/2002 From: NJ Status: offline	RE: What have I done? - 8/6/2004 9:47:42 Bobby, I am heading home today, so depending on the time I get in I"ll check out my links. Did you go to position is everything site? If not, go there and read their things on IE. They have a ton of stuff to help you out. Also, but I"m sure that you thought of this, do a validation on your css and your html/xhtml. Just to see if its something that you missed in that area. I will see what I can find when I get back. I cant view your css right now on this pc. At hom I have a program to help me view it from your site. Also you can do a google search on IE css bugs. This might bring up something that we aren't even thinking of right now. Catch you alll tomorrow! _____________________________ Deb-aka-c4Ksissy high panjandurum and alpha female of the silverback tribe As decreed by Jesper 5-24-2003. The only stupid question is... the one that is never asked!! http://cssinfo.debsplace.org http://positioniseverything.net/ http://www.tanfa.co.uk/ (in reply to bobby)


bobby Posts: 11825 Joined: 8/15/1969 From: Seattle WA USA Status: offline	RE: What have I done? - 8/6/2004 11:42:24 Thanks Deb I've been all over that site, and dozens more. The "white-space" issues I've seen pertain to spaces between image tags that IE perceives as white space on the page... I've tried eliminating as much false white space as possible, even putting EVERYTHING in the page on a single, non-wrapped line! I've found several hacks (including the box model hack which is quickly becoming my favorite for fixing IE junk) but none that seem to help... _____________________________ Talk to your kittens about catnip, or someone else will. (in reply to c1sissy)


Giomanach Posts: 6191 Joined: 11/19/2003 From: England Status: offline	RE: What have I done? - 8/6/2004 11:50:37 Tried my background remedy yet? quote: Set it as the background with the following positioning etc: background-position: top top; background-repeat: repeat-x; You have the images in there "physically"...create a background to cover up the gaps... _____________________________ (in reply to bobby)


bobby Posts: 11825 Joined: 8/15/1969 From: Seattle WA USA Status: offline	RE: What have I done? - 8/6/2004 11:56:24 G - I tried it, but it didn't help. You did give me another idea tho, and that is to create a BG image that fills in the gaps around the actual imag and see if it works... I'll just have to make sure to get the size right... _____________________________ Talk to your kittens about catnip, or someone else will. (in reply to Giomanach)


c1sissy Posts: 5094 Joined: 7/20/2002 From: NJ Status: offline	RE: What have I done? - 8/7/2004 1:27:47 Hi bobby, check here http://devedge.netscape.com/viewsource/2002/img-table/ Not sure if this will help you or not, but I did a quick search for you. _____________________________ Deb-aka-c4Ksissy high panjandurum and alpha female of the silverback tribe As decreed by Jesper 5-24-2003. The only stupid question is... the one that is never asked!! http://cssinfo.debsplace.org http://positioniseverything.net/ http://www.tanfa.co.uk/ (in reply to bobby)


bobby Posts: 11825 Joined: 8/15/1969 From: Seattle WA USA Status: offline	RE: What have I done? - 8/8/2004 23:50:45 Deb, that seems to hit the problem on the head, great find. I'm goin to get into it more tomorrow. I've already tired display: block, but it didn't seem to do anything, still... this is the closest I've found so I'm going to delve in a bit more later. _____________________________ Talk to your kittens about catnip, or someone else will. (in reply to c1sissy)


c1sissy Posts: 5094 Joined: 7/20/2002 From: NJ Status: offline	RE: What have I done? - 8/9/2004 7:51:03 Yipppee! I'm happy that I found it for you! You should place this one in the links section with a brief description of the problem that you were having and how it solved it, well that is once you solve it _____________________________ Deb-aka-c4Ksissy high panjandurum and alpha female of the silverback tribe As decreed by Jesper 5-24-2003. The only stupid question is... the one that is never asked!! http://cssinfo.debsplace.org http://positioniseverything.net/ http://www.tanfa.co.uk/ (in reply to bobby)

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