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seth -> page rank - is it just one ingredient in the stew? (8/8/2004 0:35:49)

Hello, I have a site that is ranked 5/10 and it was slowly climbing towards being in the first page results. As the page rank grew so did my position in google search. Now the site was on the third page and others closer to the first position have a much lower page rank like 3/10 or 0/10 and today for some reason, after google bots finishing visiting, my site is now on the 4th page.

I guess page rank isn't everything, so if page rank are like the carrots in a stew, what are some of the other ingredients?

BTW, the google bar is not white when i visit my site. Also i do not wish to display the sites url.



Mojo -> RE: page rank - is it just one ingredient in the stew? (8/9/2004 12:52:45)

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I guess page rank isn't everything


Correct.

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what are some of the other ingredients?


There are many... you have on-page optimization factors and off-page optimization factors. Both are important, but IMO - off page/off site factors are more important.

Here are a few on page factors:
meta keywords, meta description, keywords in title, domain name, position terms in title, page size, (h1, h2, h3, h4), words at the beginning of sentence or paragraph, valid HTML, text to html ratio, anchor text, alt text, broken links, internal linking, proximity of keywords to other factors, keyword density in body, bold/italic/other keywords, file name, file size, text around links, age of site, age of links, case of keywords, misspelling, bad grammer, plurals and many many more.

Off page:
Page rank, anchor text (and all that goes with it), theme of site linking to you, number of back links, server response time, SEO programs, speed that links are required... basically links, links, links.



seth -> RE: page rank - is it just one ingredient in the stew? (8/9/2004 14:03:53)

Thanks Mojo!!

Back to page rank - i created that has 4 pages, all pages can access the home page and all pages can access each other. My home page has a PR of 5 and the second page pr0, third pr2, 4th pr0

So it i included some links of revelant sites on the pages that have pr of 0 then it should move up, right? now if the second page moves up in pr then would this help the home page gain in pr? I guess what i'm trying to say is that is the two page where pr=0 moved to pr=2 or 3, would aid the home pages pr and possible move it up to 6?

Thanks!



dpf -> RE: page rank - is it just one ingredient in the stew? (8/9/2004 17:58:40)

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included some links of revelant sites on the pages

adding links to other sites has zero bearing..note carefully what mojo was saying....what counts is links to your site AND they should be both quality sites and related to yours in some way.



Mojo -> RE: page rank - is it just one ingredient in the stew? (8/9/2004 23:34:51)

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adding links to other sites has zero bearing


Dan, while I normally agree with your posts I am not sure about that statement. Maybe I am a bit paranoid, but it seems an easy way to sniff out over-seo'd sites would be to compare the number of incoming links to the number of outgoing links. A "natural" site would have both - me thinks.

If my site has 100 incoming links and 0 outgoing links it could look like I am trying to keep PR. I like to have at least 1 outgoing link for every 20 incoming links. Link on topic or to something neutral.

Actually, now that I re-read your post it sounds correct. If you meant there is not a boost in ranking I think your right. But, I think there may be a penalty for not having external links. So, adding links may increase your ranking (slightly) by removing an assigned penalty. At least, that has been my direct experience.

Joe



Reflect -> RE: page rank - is it just one ingredient in the stew? (8/10/2004 7:33:38)

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I guess what i'm trying to say is that is the two page where pr=0 moved to pr=2 or 3, would aid the home pages pr and possible move it up to 6?


Yes, PR does flow to linked pages. Use it wisely though.

Example why pass PR on to a "contact us" page? I use dynamic links for those type pages so the PR does not flow.

Take care,

Brian



dpf -> RE: page rank - is it just one ingredient in the stew? (8/10/2004 9:36:20)

excellent point, Joe



Donkey -> RE: page rank - is it just one ingredient in the stew? (8/10/2004 10:17:56)

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Example why pass PR on to a "contact us" page?
Just out of curiosity why not? Does it have a negative effect?



Reflect -> RE: page rank - is it just one ingredient in the stew? (8/22/2004 17:02:30)

Sorry I missed the question earlier.

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Just out of curiosity why not? Does it have a negative effect?


The way I understand it is PR flows partially from the source page to the target page/page being linked to. The amount of links from the source page on a whole I also believe will make this fluctuate on the PR associated to that link. So I try not to pass PR to pages that aren't on my radar for PR. This however does not make the "contact us" (example) page non-spiderable. It just does not pass PR weight.

This is just from trends that I have perceived from looking into PR.

Take care,

Brian



gm1234 -> RE: page rank - is it just one ingredient in the stew? (8/24/2004 5:18:29)

Page ranks are important but not everything. There are other elements like keyword optimization, title tag optimization, alt tag optimization and anchor text optimization. You also need to have a search engine friendly website along with proper site wide links. Having more number of infomative webpages will also help you some bit. But beware of cookie cutters (webpages having same content), also make sure to use different metatage descriptions for all pages.



gm1234 -> RE: page rank - is it just one ingredient in the stew? (8/24/2004 5:19:31)

hope that helps



Reflect -> RE: page rank - is it just one ingredient in the stew? (8/24/2004 7:12:59)

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Page ranks are important but not everything.


True, here is the second post in this thread.

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Here are a few on page factors:
meta keywords, meta description, keywords in title, domain name, position terms in title, page size, (h1, h2, h3, h4), words at the beginning of sentence or paragraph, valid HTML, text to html ratio, anchor text, alt text, broken links, internal linking, proximity of keywords to other factors, keyword density in body, bold/italic/other keywords, file name, file size, text around links, age of site, age of links, case of keywords, misspelling, bad grammer, plurals and many many more.


There are also other factors in the mix too.

Take care,

Brian



Reflect -> RE: page rank - is it just one ingredient in the stew? (8/24/2004 7:15:01)

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Page ranks are important but not everything.


By all means. Here is the second post from this very thread...

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Here are a few on page factors:
meta keywords, meta description, keywords in title, domain name, position terms in title, page size, (h1, h2, h3, h4), words at the beginning of sentence or paragraph, valid HTML, text to html ratio, anchor text, alt text, broken links, internal linking, proximity of keywords to other factors, keyword density in body, bold/italic/other keywords, file name, file size, text around links, age of site, age of links, case of keywords, misspelling, bad grammer, plurals and many many more.


There are also other factors.

Take care,

Brian



gautam -> RE: page rank - is it just one ingredient in the stew? (7/2/2005 4:41:50)

All said than done.Can anybody help me out.Say i have a website and i want to increase its pagerank through valid means .I know that good links from website work a lot but howmany are needed?
thanks

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jaybee -> RE: page rank - is it just one ingredient in the stew? (7/2/2005 5:55:12)

I don't think anyone can put an exact figure on it. I think it depends on the keyword you're using for the search and how many links the site above you on the page has.

You need more than them but that's still no guarantee as they may have other "Google likes" that you don't.



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