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Webnauts
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RE: Don't open new windows (tutorial) - 9/1/2004 23:58:06
For the ones who markup for document type which the "target" attribute is legal, see here:
http://www.webnauts.net/popup_target.html
I guess everyone would love this trick!
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briesmith
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RE: Don't open new windows (tutorial) - 12/29/2004 13:12:00
I don't understand what you are getting at. Are you concened about "popup" windows overlying a web page or new instances of the browser created to contain "foreign" web material?
If a user clicks a link to a foreign website they are creating a new browser instance by doing so surely? If they don't want a new copy of the browser then don't click the link? Information provided that is not part of the hosting website - ie another website - should always open in a new browser. If this doesn't happen then a user clicking on the browser's close button (or the red X) will close the website they originally started in and not just the website they've linked to.
Information put up as an intrinsic part of the website can often be highlighted by using a new window (NB not a new instance of the browser). In this way closing the (new) window simply reveals the original underlying page. New windows, however, do cause navigation problems and sometime the URL chain cannot practically be preserved.
As for your comments about not using JavaScript I have to say they're just impractical as the example you give - which uses JavaScript - demonstrates perfectly. You publish a figure for the number of web visitors turning off JavaScript. What you don't give is a figure for the number of websites (or percentage) that use JavaScript somewhere amongst their pages.
At the end of the day I just don't understand where the small body of web zealots gets its motivation from. I suppose it's just good old life itself. Everything eventually attracts it share of cranks and fanatics.
A sense of proportion is always useful. 90% of people browsing never visit any more than .0001% of the pages on the web. All the rest is irrelevant noise. My wife, for instance, goes to ocado.com and, rarely, the local cinemas' website and M&S, nothing else. Without server side scripting - PHP, ASP etc - and client side scripting - essentially JavaScript - very few websites - certainly none my wife visits - could function.
Blind users and other people with browsing difficulties are not stupid, they don't need all this patronising "being looked after", "Nanny knows best" nonsense. They've all learned to find their way round without asking for, or wanting to see imposed, loads of restrictions on what can and can't go on a webpage.
As for screen refreshes affecting people well the mind just boggles. If they've got that problem to such an extent that it actually troubles them what are they doing using a computer? If I were allergic to newsprint - which I'm sure someone, somewhere is - I wouldn't buy many newspapers. And I certainly wouldn't expect all the publishers to change their ways to suit me. I might try gloves in the same way, I imagine, that someone with sensitivity to screen refreshes might try turning down the contrast/brightness or, dare I say, sunglasses?
PS your link to http://www.webnauts.net/popup_target.html doesn't work.
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dpf
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RE: Don't open new windows (tutorial) - 12/29/2004 13:26:19
my biggest chuckle comes when I am supposed to concern myself with the browsing experience of someone surfing the net on their cell phone (probably while driving and swerving into my lane). you wanna see my sites on your cell phone? good grief
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dpf
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RE: Don't open new windows (tutorial) - 12/29/2004 13:29:44
regarding javascript turned off...
1. if someone has disabled it, im quite sure my site isnt the first they encountered with missing functionality - its a consequence of their choice.
2. i still dont understand disable js. i have disabled scripting in IE, whenever i log onto outfront, is says "javascript disabled" and yet everysite I go to I have full js functionality. i cant seem to turn it off successfully just to test that. to me, js was an early and still vital component of the web. the scripting that is dangerous is active x and other things, not js
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I have updated my above tutorial and published in my brand new blog. 
