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Giomanach Posts: 6129 Joined: 11/19/2003 From: England Status: offline	IE Conditionals..... - 8/9/2004 16:57:10 Hey Guys Web Page: http://www.giomanach.com/client/steph Problem: Using the coniditional statements as posted by Deb...and Ie picks it up as comments? why? 01.css is designed for FF and NN(7.1). Have created another one.....just removed a couple of bits ( so I know it works) till I can get this to work...and it won't work...what am I doing wrong people? Cheers Dan _____________________________


c1sissy Posts: 5086 Joined: 7/20/2002 From: NJ Status: offline	RE: IE Conditionals..... - 8/9/2004 17:32:55 Not sure what you are doign wrong with this, but it works for me, and it works for Peter as well as several others. Try validating your css and xhtml/html _____________________________ Deb-aka-c4Ksissy high panjandurum and alpha female of the silverback tribe As decreed by Jesper 5-24-2003. The only stupid question is... the one that is never asked!! http://directory.css-styling.com http://fmsforum.com http://positioniseverything.net/ http://www.tanfa.co.uk/ (in reply to Giomanach)

Donkey

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RE: IE Conditionals..... - 8/9/2004 19:57:52

Dan,
I use the conditional statement without the "[if IE]" bit, you don't really need it, and I'm not sure if it makes any difference but I always put the "href" part first. So you could try the links with the following slight changes.

<link href="01.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"/>
<!-->
<link href="all-ie.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"/>
<!-->

Another point is that the only things you need in the "commented out" link are the "overrides" that you want IE to pick up, you don't have to duplicate all the info that works with IE as well as the other compliant browsers.

The IE browser reads your 01.css style sheet first then the commented out sheet all-ie.css, so it will implement all the instructions in 01.css then change any rules that are different in all-ie.css. From looking at your two stylesheets I get the impression that you are trying to have one sheet for IE and one for the rest. That doesn't work because the cascade comes into effect as described above. For instance in your all-ie sheet you have duplicated "#page{" with the border values left off. This has no effect because it doesn't change the values already established in 01.css. You probably need to have border:none; in there.

I notice that you have "#head{position:fixed;}" in your ie sheet, IE doesn't recognise "fixed" so you probably need to use "absolute".

So I would say your new slimmed down all-ie.css sheet should look something like this;

body{margin: 0;}

#page{border:none;}

#head{
position:absolute;
padding: 0;
float: none;
}

#nav{position:absolute;}

I hope that is useful, it works for me.

_____________________________

I have a higher and grander standard of principle than George Washington. He could not lie; I can, but I won't.
Samuel Clemens

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Giomanach Posts: 6129 Joined: 11/19/2003 From: England Status: offline	RE: IE Conditionals..... - 8/10/2004 0:21:42 Deb - All Valid CSS and XHTML w3.org told me so Peter - Will have a go at that later. You can use position:fixed; on IE, you just have to fool IE into believing that it's absolute positioning, and it can be done. I just need to wake up first Cheers Dan _____________________________ (in reply to Donkey)


c1sissy Posts: 5086 Joined: 7/20/2002 From: NJ Status: offline	RE: IE Conditionals..... - 8/10/2004 1:18:07 http://www.positioniseverything.net/index.php Dan for positioning, visit the above link and read what is on this site. ITs an excellent one to study. _____________________________ Deb-aka-c4Ksissy high panjandurum and alpha female of the silverback tribe As decreed by Jesper 5-24-2003. The only stupid question is... the one that is never asked!! http://directory.css-styling.com http://fmsforum.com http://positioniseverything.net/ http://www.tanfa.co.uk/ (in reply to Giomanach)

Donkey

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RE: IE Conditionals..... - 8/10/2004 3:01:02

quote:

You can use position:fixed; on IE,

According to the article I read you can simulate fixed positioning by moving the scroll bars on to the document body using;

html
  {
  overflow: hidden;
  }
body
  {
  height: 100%;
  overflow: auto;
  }

But this fools IE into interpreting position absolute as fixed, it won't work with position:fixed; Also I believe it can be a bit iffy when the page gets complicated with scroll bars being covered by other content.

I've just done a search and found this link Faking Position Fixed in IE

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I have a higher and grander standard of principle than George Washington. He could not lie; I can, but I won't.
Samuel Clemens

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Giomanach Posts: 6129 Joined: 11/19/2003 From: England Status: offline	RE: IE Conditionals..... - 8/10/2004 3:37:18 Cheers Guys I'm not bothered if I can't get the same scrolling effect in IE that I can in FF and NN...as long as it looks good in all browsers...I'm happy, as is client. Just want to get this sorted before I put the template to the client...and then you lot Dan _____________________________ (in reply to Donkey)


Giomanach Posts: 6129 Joined: 11/19/2003 From: England Status: offline	RE: IE Conditionals..... - 8/10/2004 16:02:37 Here's one for ya..... Conditionals work alright......but when I make the chanages so that it's position: absolute; not fixed....that div layer disappears!...why? Dan <edit> No need...just means I can't have the scroll effect I wanted...oh well...damn IE!!!!!!! </edit> _____________________________ (in reply to Giomanach)


Donkey Posts: 3919 Joined: 11/13/2001 From: Blackfield United Kingdom Status: offline	RE: IE Conditionals..... - 8/10/2004 18:36:00 You are right Dan it's not a satisfactory solution. The main problem I found is that you end up without the ability to have anything absolutely positioned, because it all gets fixed. I came to the conclusion that my navigation and footers will be fixed in all the compliant browsers but in IE they will scroll like everything else. It helps if you use the IE "overides" style sheet - you just have to accept the difference and effectively design 2 separately positioned sites. IE users will be forever handicapped untill they see the light and upgrade to moz or opera or the evil empire does the decent thing with the next version of IE. _____________________________ I have a higher and grander standard of principle than George Washington. He could not lie; I can, but I won't. Samuel Clemens (in reply to Giomanach)


Giomanach Posts: 6129 Joined: 11/19/2003 From: England Status: offline	RE: IE Conditionals..... - 8/11/2004 0:37:21 quote: or the evil empire does the decent thing with the next version of IE. You have got to be kidding me? lol It's a real shame...'cos I managed to get a nice "frames" effect with the content scorlling under the nav and header...but..and got the footer where I wanted it...but nope...IE won't let me have it. So...made header and nav absolute positions...but a table in the body with content and footer info in...jobs done and it works in IE as well.... _____________________________ (in reply to Donkey)

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