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You can't use FTP w/ FPSE's, so how do you... - 8/11/2004 11:27:39   
allow someone to upload their Outlook Schedule to the site and only have certain people be able to view it? This is the email I got from my pastor, but he was unaware of no FTP capability with FPSE's...

"I want to be able to publish my work calendar to the website so
that my wife or other leaders can see upcoming events. Outlook
has that ability but I need a place. Could you make a directory
and give me the password for ftp?"

I'm really "winging it" as "webmaster" (ha!), can anyone help me? :):)

(I was thinking hidden directory... but then how does he upload his schedule? He's using FP2002 but I've updated everything to FP2003 and am pretty much the sole "controller" of updates anymore, so I'm not sure that he can just "publish" his selected file easily?? But I figure if the intended reader puts the hidden page name in the url then they will be able to view it. Am I on the right track?)

Thanks Kathy
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RE: You can't use FTP w/ FPSE's, so how do you... - 8/11/2004 11:30:33   
Kathy

No need to worry. FP2003 uses FP2002 Server Extensions....just get your pastor to use FP2002 to update pages etc.

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RE: You can't use FTP w/ FPSE's, so how do you... - 8/11/2004 11:38:01   
Dan,
Ok great, but will that work as far as giving him a hidden page to publish, and then have people just type in the url with .../pagename.htm at the end to view it? (since it won't be in the sitemap or anything )
I guess you can't hide pages though really, just directories... but pages aren't really IN directories... Hmm.. I'm confusing myself... haha... :)

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RE: You can't use FTP w/ FPSE's, so how do you... - 8/11/2004 11:39:53   
do you need it "hidden"? what about password protecting it?

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RE: You can't use FTP w/ FPSE's, so how do you... - 8/11/2004 11:47:42   
It's basically "hiding" it if you don't include it in the site map or anything, right? I suppose I don't need to "hide" it, the site is already password protected.. (can you actually pw protect a single page?)

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RE: You can't use FTP w/ FPSE's, so how do you... - 8/11/2004 11:55:52   
You can use FTP for some things on your site...

As long as you don't FTP a page that has FP features that require the extensions.

If they're uploading a file that doesn't affect a Front Page featured page, then FTP is no problem. I use FTP all the time to upload database, images, pictures, text files, etc. on Front Page webs

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RE: You can't use FTP w/ FPSE's, so how do you... - 8/11/2004 12:08:11   
Hmmm.. I guess I'd better go read a lot more :) so I understand exactly what FP Extentions ARE (since I have no clue what makes them "necessary", I just know from trial and error that the pages I've dealt with require them) and I really don't know anything about FTP either! haha. (other than it allows the uploading of files!) whew... Hey, I just took this thing over after it was already "in place", I just changed the looks a lot - and that is merely by "trial and error" process. I'm "learning as I go"...

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RE: You can't use FTP w/ FPSE's, so how do you... - 8/11/2004 12:53:00   
Why don't you just make them a Blog that they can use? I've seen them set up to resemble and act like a simple discussion board. All they do is post and it shows up as a Blog. This way there is no concern with FTP or Server Extensions.

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RE: You can't use FTP w/ FPSE's, so how do you... - 8/11/2004 13:56:37   
You'll only need to Publish a page if it uses one of the components listed here:

http://www.frontpagewebmaster.com/m_96938/tm.htm

Otherwise you should be able to FTP with no problems.

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RE: You can't use FTP w/ FPSE's, so how do you... - 8/12/2004 0:02:16   
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As long as you don't FTP a page that has FP features that require the extensions.


Bobby,

Are you saying that if a site has one page on it that the owner would like to update, using some other HTML editor (for example, Mozilla Composer), they can FTP that page's updates without corrupting the extenstions for the rest of the site?

The reason I'm asking is this...one of my websites uses a FP form on one page. Other than that, the only thing the extensions are required for is to publish the site. One of the pages is an Events page like mentioned in this threads OP. My client would like to be able to update that page herself. If she does so, then it won't screw up the form or mess up my ability to publish big changes to the site (like if she wants a new page, etc.)

Hopefull that made sense...

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RE: You can't use FTP w/ FPSE's, so how do you... - 8/12/2004 3:34:57   
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Are you saying that if a site has one page on it that the owner would like to update, using some other HTML editor (for example, Mozilla Composer), they can FTP that page's updates without corrupting the extenstions for the rest of the site?

Only if those page don't have FPSE components on them :)

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RE: You can't use FTP w/ FPSE's, so how do you... - 8/12/2004 6:23:54   
Has anyone done this successfully, without bringing down the extensions? Like Karen, I only use the extensions for an odd form and for publishing, but have similar requirements for client updates.

I have been looking at the textarea solution so that the look of the site can be preserved. But if it is feasible then it opens a whole new world.

My host is emphatic that FTP is not to be used with FPSE webs.

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RE: You can't use FTP w/ FPSE's, so how do you... - 8/12/2004 7:08:31   
Just to make it clear:

If using FPSE, you must publish the pages with FPSE components on them, as just using FTp will upload them as coding, not "install" them. The server needs to be told that the pages use FPSE...or not as the case maybe, anything else (such as images..plaim html docs with no FPSE used), you can FTP to your hearts content.

Simple innit?

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RE: You can't use FTP w/ FPSE's, so how do you... - 8/12/2004 7:17:16   
OK...

the page she wants to update herself does not use FPSE at all even though another page of her site does (the page with the feedback form).

I was under the impression that you could NOT FTP *anything* to a website using FPSE - that the entire extension set up would be corrupted.

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RE: You can't use FTP w/ FPSE's, so how do you... - 8/12/2004 7:19:46   
Only the files that don't need FPSE....it's all too confuzzling innit? lol

FTPing HTML docs that use FPSE can corrupt the FPSE...but most the time,...just uploading and/or FTPing won't work....

It's all Synths and Strings....you can use them on there own.....or together.....just for different purposes:)

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RE: You can't use FTP w/ FPSE's, so how do you... - 8/12/2004 7:54:25   
So I could create a new page and FTP it up there. Link to it normally in my other pages - and the extensions won't be corrupt. Does the new page that won't have FPSE need to be in a new directory?

This would make life easier for her and for me....she wouldn't have to wait for me to change every little detail....and I woudn't have to change every little detail....

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RE: You can't use FTP w/ FPSE's, so how do you... - 8/12/2004 8:03:09   
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So I could create a new page and FTP it up there

Yesh

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Link to it normally in my other pages - and the extensions won't be corrupt.

Yesh

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Does the new page that won't have FPSE need to be in a new directory?

Nah

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This would make life easier for her and for me....she wouldn't have to wait for me to change every little detail....and I woudn't have to change every little detail....

Better idea - delegate the workload:)

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RE: You can't use FTP w/ FPSE's, so how do you... - 8/12/2004 8:25:09   
Just to push this along a bit I summarised this thread to my host and this is what they replied:-
quote:

Hi Carol,

Perhaps he's right! I think I would look blankly for a moment and say
something like 'If it works for you....'

All the best,
Mike


So technical, so brief, so helpful. I think it could be interpreted as 'suck it and see'?:):):)

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RE: You can't use FTP w/ FPSE's, so how do you... - 8/12/2004 10:32:32   
Speaking from personal experience you CAN use FTP in a Front Page web. I use Filezilla ( http://filezilla.sourceforge.net ) to upload and download databases, pictures and images, data files, zip files, etc.

It's far faster, easier, and I have more control than with Front Pages Publish feature...

I have never had a FPSE corruption problem from using FTP along with it. I've used FP 2002 and 2003 with FTP, no problems.

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RE: You can't use FTP w/ FPSE's, so how do you... - 8/12/2004 10:49:19   
you learn something new every day!! thanks!!

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RE: You can't use FTP w/ FPSE's, so how do you... - 8/12/2004 10:50:00   
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you learn something new every day!! thanks!!

yea but I always forget yesterday's lesson..sigh

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RE: You can't use FTP w/ FPSE's, so how do you... - 8/14/2004 20:37:20   
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I have never had a FPSE corruption problem from using FTP along with it. I've used FP 2002 and 2003 with FTP, no problems.


Bobby,

The http://filezilla.sourceforge.net FTP client may be the answer to your "non problems". WSFTP and even the FrontPage FTP function will, at some point, hose FrontPage Extensions - at least here on the East Coast.

In any case, I intend to experiment with http://filezilla.sourceforge.net against a scratch site but plan to keep my fingers crossed the whole time.

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