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We're all spammers? - 8/13/2004 11:16:37
Here is a nice read on spamming search engines by the good folks at Stanford U (Google).
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Please note that according to our definition, all types of actions intended to boost ranking, without improving the true value of a page, are considered spamming.
Web Spam Taxonomy
<Edit> Above link opens a pdf file
< Message edited by Spooky -- 8/13/2004 14:06:43 >
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RE: We're all spammers? - 8/13/2004 11:36:33
Joe: excellent article although not a quick read ( which is all I have time for this morning..<smile> but Im going to go back to it. I did have an initial reaction, though. I find the remark below a little self serving and perhaps guilty of a little circular reasoning:
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refer to any deliberate human action
that is meant to trigger an unjustifiably favorable relevance or importance for some web page,
considering the page’s true value.
there are some real value-laden, judgemental statements there:
"considering the page's true value" - well, duh what exactly is its "true value"? as if that is some concrete discernable, measureable thing..Its 'value' is inherently subjective.
'unjustifiably favorable' - here again, the insinuation is that the SE's are omniscient and if only folks would trust their wisdom, all would be well.
At the extreme of the most blatant spamming, at some level I fault the SE's themselves - if its that blatant and you cant undercover it, you arent that good.
anyway, thanks for the lead Joe.
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RE: We're all spammers? - 8/13/2004 12:21:46
What a load.
I bet it took them hours to come up with a search term that produced pure garbage. They claim they were looking for information regarding pharmacies and the Kaiser Permanente Health Delivery System. They typed in "Kaiser Pharmacy."
Look at this search result, and tell me it's garbage.
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&q=Kaiser+Permanente+Pharmacy
There are many more ways to search for info on that subject. I bet 1 in 10 (or less) of the possible key word combinations would produce garbage results.
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RE: We're all spammers? - 8/13/2004 14:14:03
I am less concerned about any stats that Google or their kind tout, but rather their arrogant opinions of themselves.
From another Stanford document:
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Since spam and non-spam documents are so similar, it is sometimes very difficult for a human to differentiate between the two. Because of these similarities, it is unlikely that any natural language analysis
method will be successful in differentiating between spam and non-spam.
Wha??
If the page visitor can't identify the page as spam - why should a search engine? To quote Thomas B..."What a load"
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RE: We're all spammers? - 8/17/2004 13:16:10
How many computer science majors at reputable universities does it take to take to describe abstract infinite problems--of course without real solutions. Oh, that's it, another study!.
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