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frontpage shared borders - 9/1/2004 16:33:21
Hey Everyone,
I'm relatively new to web design- I just taught myself frontpage over the summer. My friend and I are working on a webcomic and the sites almost done. However, a few things are really bugging me: (btw I'm using frontpage 2002)
1. Shared borders. My pages all have left and top shared borders. Heres the problem. Suppose I have a paragraph of text on the page. When I preview the page in my browser, that text hugs up really close to the edge of the screen (which I don't like.) The only way to sort of give that text some breathing room is to put in a transparent right shared border. Now the text has a nice "cushion" from the end of the screen. However when I do that, now the text is pushed up against the left shared border. What do I do to give the text breathing room on both sides?
2. Default text. The text I use on my page is century gothic, but everytime i go to type something new it reverts to Times. How do I re-set this?
3. Links. I have a page with a whole bunch of links, but when I preview it in my browser, about half of the links (at random) show up as the "already clicked" color, when I never even clicked them. I didn't do anything wrong with the links, so why are they doing this?
Thanks alot!
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RE: frontpage shared borders - 9/1/2004 20:29:57
Nemesis,
1. Use tables set to percentage. Experiment by starting with 90%.
2. Theme or Template? Let us know. The "fix" is different for both.
3. Doubt there is anything wrong with the links. You may have clicked the "visited" links in Preview prior to viewing in Browser. Try refreshing after saving, then check. The final proof is in the published result in any case.
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RE: frontpage shared borders - 9/2/2004 16:15:19
i created my own template for the site that i use for new pages. no themes. Thanks for the help. I used the tables and they work pretty well.
Also the biggest thing thats been bugging me this whole time has been the paragraph feature. This problem is the one problem thats been driving me insane and making me curse the name of frontpage. Every single time i go to type, and i indent, its always DOUBLE SPACED!!!!!! So I go to the paragraph font and the box says SINGLE SPACE. However, in order to actually apply the SINGLE SPACE comand you have to type in zeros in the little boxes, but these zeroes are not in there by default! Argg! so ever time i type something new, I have to reset the zeroes.
The more i use it the more i hate frontpage- all microsoft programs (including windows xp) will randomly not work all the time. I'm probably going to switch to adobe pagemill down the road. I use a lot of adobe stuff and adobe products have NEVER frozed up, NEVER done one thing when i told it to do another, and have NEVER givem me any crap. Microsoft is a horrible, horrible brand of products. But alas I'm stuck with frontpage for now.
< Message edited by Nemesis -- 9/2/2004 16:56:22 >
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RE: frontpage shared borders - 9/2/2004 17:19:58
do you mean that when you start a new paragraph you get this
*****
This is some text in a paragraph.
This is a second paragraph with not much more text in it
****
if you mean this then this has nothing to do with FP or whatever but it the default for html. if you want to change it you can simply redefine the p tag in a cascading style sheet.
i'm almost certain that page mill hasn't been around for ages and it was replaced by Go-Live, not that many people use that. you would be better viewing the FP2003 demo or macromedia's dreamweaver mx 2004
a url would be helpful for further advice...
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RE: frontpage shared borders - 9/2/2004 18:34:00
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The more i use it the more i hate frontpage
FrontPage isn't a perfect answer to designing websites, but neither are any of the other WYSIWYG software products. They all have things they do well and things they do poorly.
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Every single time i go to type, and i indent, its always DOUBLE SPACED!!!!!!
Are you hitting the return at the end of the line? FP by default double spaces when you hit the return at the end of a line. If you continue to type, the text should wrap to the next line and be single spaced. You can also hold down the shift key when you hit the return key to make it single space.
To change your default font, you need to go to tools/page options/default font. Keep in mind that if the person visiting your site doesn't have the font that you selected installed, they will see the default font that has been set in their browser.
It can be frustrating when you are learning a new software package, but there are lots of people here who can help you. All you have to do is ask.
Hope this is helpful.
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RE: frontpage shared borders - 9/4/2004 0:19:20
Thanks for the help everybody! Here is my site in all of its glory: www.chumscomic.com
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RE: frontpage shared borders - 9/4/2004 1:57:01
right so you seem to have sorted the p tags now with zero margins: see nothing to do with fp or adobe!
instead of using non-breakings spaces for the indents use the text-indent and add it to your p tags in the style sheet
something like
p {
margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0; text-indent: 1.5em
font-family: "Century Gothic", Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
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}
also it would be far easier to use an external style and simply redefine the p tag in that rather than having to use inline styles
see
http://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp
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RE: frontpage shared borders - 9/4/2004 10:25:31
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You're right. I told Microsoft FrontPage to do something then waited and waited .... still waiting as a matter of fact. On the other hand it didn't give me any crap either. Actually it didn't do anything - just sat there. It looks at me - I look at it. I tell it to do something but nothing happens! I'm determined to wait it out though - must be technical glitch
LMAO
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RE: frontpage shared borders - 9/4/2004 11:39:20
hahaha! I don't know anything about HTML or style sheets.
Thanks for your guys help. The site looks great.
However...
-I used some wordart on the index page, and when I look at my sight thru netscape it looks really choppy (but only in netscape)
-Shared borders. On my index and link pages, the bottom borders go all the way to the end of the page, and if the page is longer then the screen, the borders reach all the way down to the bottom. On about half of my pages though, the bottom border just sits there. check it out for yourself at www.chumscomic.com
-AOL: everytime I update something, AOL never displays it until about an hour later- its very strange. Internet explorer and netscape will immediately, but aol takes a while.
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RE: frontpage shared borders - 9/5/2004 20:04:59
MORE PROBLEMS! YEY! WHAT WOULD FRONTPAGE BE WITHOUT MIND NUMBING TECHNICAL PROBLEMS? iT WOULD BE ADOBE GO-LIVE!
Alright, my friend wants to post on the website. So I pulled out my frontpage for dummies, and looked up how to open the site on another computer. I go to Import Web Wizard, and import it. However when I do, I get this pop up box that says "the current themes, frames, etc on this web may not match... blah blah" I don't know what its talking about- and it constantly refers to "this web" and the "imported web". I don't know what it means by "this web" because when I try to import my site, there is no web currently open! If I click yes to this message and download it, the site comes up really, really messed up. How do I simply download the site without frontpage messing it up?
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RE: frontpage shared borders - 9/5/2004 20:34:23
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So I pulled out my frontpage for dummies
Nemesis,
Consider the real possibility this is advanced level reading for you.
My condolences to Adobe.
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RE: frontpage shared borders - 9/5/2004 21:12:22
gee...thanks...now i feel dumb
can anyone help me? i really need help, this is kind of urgent.
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RE: frontpage shared borders - 9/5/2004 23:19:06
On your friend's computer, open Internet Explorer and open up the site.
Then when the page loads, click "File" then "Edit With Front Page". Front page will open up and will ask you for your username and password. Now you have the website opened live on the server. You can either work with it there (but know any saves you do will be permanent) or you can publish from the server to a folder on your friend's computer. Once it's published into the folder, you can open it up via front page and work with it there, then publish back to the server.
I'm sorry but you say you don't know anything about web design - html or style sheets, and then you blame Front Page for your problems?
That's like someone who has never taken a picture before and who has no basic knowlege of photography or the workings of the camera complaining that the camera takes lousy pictures.
<shakes head>
Front Page is not the greatest, and I've been quite angry with it many times, but keep in mind that all WYSIWYG programs have quirks or oddities. Without a working knowledge of HTML at least, (and you should learn basic CSS) any editor could give you problems.
The best way I found to learn Front page was being a student of this forum, asking many questions, and learning HTML and eventually CSS. If you don't have at least a basic knowledge of HTML you will likely get mediocre (at best) results....
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RE: frontpage shared borders - 9/5/2004 23:21:18
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Consider the real possibility this is advanced level reading for you.
Larry.
that was funny. (my apologies to nemesis)
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RE: frontpage shared borders - 9/6/2004 2:30:19
don't use word art. use normal images instead - gifs for line art. logos etc, anything basically non-photographic in nature or less than 256 colours/lots of gradients. jpegs for photos and gradients that don't reproduce well as gifs (i.e have 'bands' of colours).
while it is a bit naff that FP uses things like Word Art (mutually exclusive anyway;) the real problem is that you don't know what you are doing and blaming FP. you would still be in a mess if you used golive: i tried go-live 6 and it was definitely not easy to use or intuitive - and i know how to use photoshop and illustrator!
have a look here at the hmtl and css classes http://www.w3schools.com/
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RE: frontpage shared borders - 9/6/2004 9:09:20
Thanks for the help Peppergal, however when i try to "open with Frontpage" from Internet Explorer, it only says "open with word". How do I change the settings so that it opens with frontpage instead of word?
And something that bugged me was that when I opened it in word and it asked for my username, i didn't put it in, but the site still opened. What??
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RE: frontpage shared borders - 9/6/2004 9:13:01
Well, whatever you do, don't use Word.
I'm assuming this person has Front Page on his computer.
Perhaps he has Word as his default HTML Editor. He will have to set Front Page to be his default editor.
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RE: frontpage shared borders - 9/6/2004 10:23:36
Yeah, I already figured it out (about a minute after I put up the post.)
Alright, I can now access my site from the server (btw thanks peppergal.)
Now I have another obstacle. I can finally access web site permissions, but its not doing much good. Of course I am the administrator, but for some reason i cannot add my friend as a user. See, I want him to be able to update and access the site from his computer.
Anyways I try to add another user, but I keep getting this error message telling me that "the number of accounts has been reached. ask your administrator to update the number of accounts." Well I am the adminsitrator, and I could not find a way to do this. I go to "add user", but it doesn't let me! Anyone else run into this?
Basically it says "you have to be the administrator to do this." I am the administrator, why cant i do it?
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RE: frontpage shared borders - 9/6/2004 10:27:18
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Tools are only as good as the person who uses them. A bad worksman always blames his tools. I use notepad, so I have no-one but myself to blame
BTW don't think I like this. I am acutally a pencil and paper artist, the only reason I'm making this website is because my friend didn't want to, and we don't have the money to have someone else do it. If I had things my way, I'd live on a farm miles away from any technology, including web design stuff.
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RE: frontpage shared borders - 9/6/2004 11:03:31
I don't know - any time someone has been going to do something on my site, I give them my user name and password. Perhaps you are only allowed to have one admin....that sounds like a server issue but I could be wrong.
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RE: frontpage shared borders - 9/6/2004 11:20:32
BTW, I like your site. I liked the Lewis and Clark comic.
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RE: frontpage shared borders - 9/7/2004 6:22:37
quick problems I've been having:
When I open my site from the remote server, it downloads all of the images twice. It has the images in my "images" folder and another set of those also listed with my folders. How do I stop this from happening? Before I uploaded the master site I put all the images into the image folder.
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RE: frontpage shared borders - 9/7/2004 15:35:33
More problems: I really really need help
1.) My friend was updating the site as he has been doing, and suddenly when he saved it to the server, the link bar dissapeared and I had to re-load an older version of our site from my computer to get them back. He swears that all he did was alter some text. Why did this happen (other than that he's lying, which is very possible)?
2.)Ok, this is making me mad. I set the default text to Centruy Gothic. So I type text in in fronptage. In frontpage, it looks like century gothic. Ok. I upload the site... AND ITS TIMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So for all the text I have to re-set it to century. This is really getting annoying!
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RE: frontpage shared borders - 9/7/2004 16:05:12
can't you use css - cascading stylesheets to at least set the font for the site?
see http://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp
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RE: frontpage shared borders - 9/8/2004 15:12:58
Thanks for that link. I read through it and figured out how to upload the sheets into frontpage- however I'm really bad with html.
All I want is a style sheet that says "all text will be century gothic. I know its probably simple to write- could some one help me?
Thanks again for the help u guys.
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RE: frontpage shared borders - 9/8/2004 15:26:11
i think that should do it
body * {
font-family: "Century Gothic", "Times New Roman", Times, serif;
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