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barry -> Designer vs. Developer (9/17/2004 8:58:34)

Hi Everybody,

I was approached by and outsource company to do some web design work for one of their clients, everything great there.

When I asked for them to send over the details this is what I got:

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Skills required: XHTML, XML, CSS, XSL, Java Script, C++ Programming and standard base web presentation technologies. B.S. in Biology background is preferred or other related fields.
(Molecular Biology would be great)


err, I think I am pretty well versed in the whole web thing, but obviously there is a big difference in what I do and what other people do.

I think that I may start referring to myself as a web designer and the other folk (who now all that stuff[:@]) as a web developer.

Whatcha think?



dpf -> RE: Designer vs. Developer (9/17/2004 9:40:26)

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B.S. in Biology background is preferred or other related fields.
(Molecular Biology would be great)

the only explanation i can think of for that requirement is that they want a developer to create their content. most unusual and what company would want to put that in the hands of an outsider? makes no sense to me



Giomanach -> RE: Designer vs. Developer (9/17/2004 9:46:58)

There *may* be an ex mad scientist out there that went into the webdesign business...good luck on finding him/her[:D]

Could always ask them for someone to provide that required knowledge, or outsource for it yourself

Dan



_gail -> RE: Designer vs. Developer (9/17/2004 9:55:06)

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I think that I may start referring to myself as a web designer and the other folk (who now all that stuff ) as a web developer.


About a year or two ago, we had quite a conversation about this at Outfront. When doing web work for others, I knew my limitations and called myself, I think appropriately, a web designer. I would never venture into something that was way over my head.

Look at it this way, like a general contractor, many web designers use sub-contractors. I'm not quite sure any developer or designer knows or can keep up with it all. Not sure it would even be practical or cost-effective if he or she tried. I've seen some great sites, but the copy was lousy and sometimes much too verbose. Some of these developers could sure hire someone who knows how to write.

Remember, too, that web developers also need the help of web designers. You can have the most technically correct and developed website, but if it looks like @#$%, not sure how effective it will be.

gail



dpf -> RE: Designer vs. Developer (9/17/2004 9:59:49)

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Remember, too, that web developers also need the help of web designers. You can have the most technically correct and developed website, but if it looks like @#$%, not sure how effective it will be.

gail

exactly, gail. I made a similar observation in another thread yesterday but lacked the correct designations: developer and designer. Most of us lean more to either the artistic or the technical. Both are critical and the key is to know your own strengths and weaknesses well. again though, this requirement of a ba in biology is sooo bizarre. I would ask then specifically why is that there? what contribution would the expertize in biology make?



d a v e -> RE: Designer vs. Developer (9/17/2004 10:01:35)

they'll be lucky to find someone like that!!! and they're probably not great designers either ;)

IF they do they'll cost and an arm and a leg, and rightfully so!



_gail -> RE: Designer vs. Developer (9/17/2004 10:08:29)

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Most of us lean more to either the artistic or the technical. Both are critical and the key is to know your own strengths and weaknesses well. again though, this requirement of a ba in biology is sooo bizarre.


Very true, though I have seen some web designers/developers who have a nice balance of both skills. Lucky them.

Yes, the requirement seems weird. So typical for corporations (and in the field of education too). Maybe they want someone with enough experience in the field so they can act as sort of an editor of content while developing the site.

gail



barry -> RE: Designer vs. Developer (9/17/2004 10:26:44)

Hi,

Anybody ever use C++ in a site? errr why, when for what?[8|]

Barry



d a v e -> RE: Designer vs. Developer (9/17/2004 10:29:44)

i was wondering that as well...



Giomanach -> RE: Designer vs. Developer (9/17/2004 10:43:48)

C++ = software programming language, used for server side Cron Jobs.

Never used it[&:]



dpf -> RE: Designer vs. Developer (9/17/2004 10:46:37)

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I have seen some web designers/developers who have a nice balance of both skills.

that is also true. I think my statement is more indicative of everyone's starting point which usually leans very heavily one way or the other. Many of us have worked very hard to strength the other side and strive for some balance but when you cant quite get there, sub'ing tyour weak arrea is a good business practice.



mystanky -> RE: Designer vs. Developer (9/25/2004 1:09:33)

This thread really answered a few questions in my own head... Thanks everyone [:)]



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