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Frames Issue - 10/2/2004 11:39:45
Hi,
I am new to frames, having avoided them like crazy until now, but I am working on a site that lends itself nicely to them, so frames it is. I am using FP2003. I need help with one item: depending on where I've browsed prior to looking at this particular website, the frames may or may not load correctly. What can I reset, or what additional code can I include, if anything, to ensure that previously-browsed sites don't influence the loading of pages on mine?
Thanks,
Kristen
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RE: Frames Issue - 10/2/2004 11:43:28
Kristen: if you can post the url or your code, I think I can help you.
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RE: Frames Issue - 10/2/2004 11:47:42
for starters, your body tag is in the wrong place!
</head>
<frameset rows="267,*" framespacing="0" border="0" frameborder="0">
<frame name="header" scrolling="no" noresize target="main" src="pageheader.htm" title="Mountain Laurel Alpacas">
<frame name="main" scrolling="auto" src="maintext.htm" target="_self" title="Mountain Laurel Alpacas - Breeding and Sale of Alpacas">
<noframes>
<body>
<p>This page uses frames, but your browser doesn't support them.</p>
</body>
</noframes>
</frameset>
</html>
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RE: Frames Issue - 10/2/2004 11:50:46
Well, heck!! Thanks! I wonder what other hideousnesses you will find...
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RE: Frames Issue - 10/2/2004 11:54:26
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having avoided them like crazy until now, but I am working on a site that lends itself nicely to them, so frames it is.
just for the sake of discussion, I dont see where this psite benefits from the use of frames. your top header is fixed - it doesnt change from page to page and there is nothing to scroll within it. also, it doesn serve as any header that absolutely has to remain visible as you go down the page. personaly, i wouldnt use frames for this - just my opinion
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RE: Frames Issue - 10/2/2004 11:56:42
here is some code from a frames page i did a long time ago..notice, there is no target attribute<frameset rows="100,*,20" framespacing="0" border="0" frameborder="no">
<frame name="menu" src="default.html" scrolling="no" frameborder="no" framespacing="0">
<frame name="main" src="contact.htm" scrolling="auto" frameborder="no" framespacing="0">
<frame name="bottom" src="bottom.htm" scrolling="no" frameborder="no" framespacing="0">
</frameset>
<noframes>
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tr><td>
<font face="Arial, Helvetica">
<p>This page uses frames, but your browser doesn't support them.</font>
</noframes>
</frameset>
</noframes>
</frameset>
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RE: Frames Issue - 10/2/2004 12:01:17
Ordinarily I would agree with you about frames, but this client wants the navigation links at the top to remain visible. I don't know of any other way to achieve this. Most of the pages scroll, and their content will increase.
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RE: Frames Issue - 10/2/2004 12:01:51
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but this client wants the navigation links at the top
that, my dear, is a winning argument..lol
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RE: Frames Issue - 10/2/2004 12:04:15
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here is some code from a frames page i did a long time ago..notice, there is no target attribute
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Interesting...I will try removing the target attribute and see what happens.
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RE: Frames Issue - 10/2/2004 12:05:57
if that doesnt work, come back. i can never master frames enough to know it "off the top of my head". i will have to dig out the book..lol..so let me know
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RE: Frames Issue - 10/2/2004 12:08:35
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but this client wants the navigation links at the top
that, my dear, is a winning argument..lol
Very amusing!! But you missed part of it. She wants the links at the top to remain visible at all times. She finds scrolling back to reach them to be awkward.
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RE: Frames Issue - 10/2/2004 12:10:10
another non frames option is to repeat links at bottom!!!
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RE: Frames Issue - 10/2/2004 12:14:36
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ORIGINAL: dpf
another non frames option is to repeat links at bottom!!!
Very true. And there are lots of good reasons not to use frames. Thanks for your help, dpf.
Kristen
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RE: Frames Issue - 10/2/2004 13:19:45
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ORIGINAL: dpf
for starters, your body tag is in the wrong place!
</head>
<frameset rows="267,*" framespacing="0" border="0" frameborder="0">
<frame name="header" scrolling="no" noresize target="main" src="pageheader.htm" title="Mountain Laurel Alpacas">
<frame name="main" scrolling="auto" src="maintext.htm" target="_self" title="Mountain Laurel Alpacas - Breeding and Sale of Alpacas">
<noframes>
<body>
<p>This page uses frames, but your browser doesn't support them.</p>
</body>
</noframes>
</frameset>
</html>
That body tag set is for the noframes version of the site, which isn't in place yet.
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RE: Frames Issue - 10/2/2004 13:25:59
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She finds scrolling back to reach them to be awkward.
back to top link? what about her customers/readers? isn't it more important how usable they find it?
this might be of interest to her
http://apptools.com/rants/framesevil.php
but then if she has that kind of logic then probably not ;)
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RE: Frames Issue - 10/2/2004 13:35:09
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ORIGINAL: d a v e
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She finds scrolling back to reach them to be awkward.
back to top link? what about her customers/readers? isn't it more important how usable they find it?
this might be of interest to her
http://apptools.com/rants/framesevil.php
but then if she has that kind of logic then probably not ;)
Hi Dave,
Thanks for the info. I've already apprised my client of the issues related to bookmarking and page titles not changing. Perhaps she will change her mind with the additional concerns mentioned. This is a relatively straightforward website, without lots of nesting, so I'm not too worried about having to script workarounds for some of the frame-inflicted nuisances mentioned in the article because they aren't applicable. I *will* be including a non-frames version for those without frames capability.
Kristen
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RE: Frames Issue - 10/2/2004 13:38:06
ok :)
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