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Need some load times please - 10/29/2004 13:22:44   
Work in progress here. No content, still playing with colours etc.

I've tested it in all my available browsers and it's pretty much the same in all of them. However, I only have one line speed so I can't really tell what impact it's going to have on the dial-ups, ISDNs and slower Broadbands of this world. Could a few of you take a look and give me some load times please.

This is my first attempt at Flash so I'm still fiddling with it trying to reduce the size. And yes, the music does stop short as I had an accident with a key frame that I'll fix tomorrow.

There's also no loading message at the moment so don't panic if the first thing you see is........ not much. It'll turn up eventually.

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RE: Need some load times please - 10/29/2004 13:58:13   
can't give you an exact load time but i was still waiting after couple of minutes before the music came and then not everything was loaded. i was getting a download rate of 3.5kbs in opera 7.54. i'm on broadband (512kb/s) but this seemed very slow to me. true i'm in finland but i haven't so much lag before with other sites posted for requests on this forum.

well that's my tuppence, hopefully others can give more empirical data!

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RE: Need some load times please - 10/29/2004 14:04:51   
Hmmm, interesting. The other 512 tests have had the thing up and running in about 5 seconds.

I wonder if it's something to do with the freebie host I'm using for testing. Everyone now home from work over here and if they've gone on-line it could have slowed NTL to a crawl.

If everyone else reports slow load, I'll shift it to my business host.

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RE: Need some load times please - 10/29/2004 14:12:03   
oh my mistake i realised that iwas reading stuff in firefox at the same time as opening your site in opera, checking my mail in thunderbird and clicking all over your test page and quickly flicking back with mouse gestures- doh just ignore my 'results'

i checked in IE and behaved myslef and it was a few seconds till the music, the intitial page display coming up very quick. :)

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RE: Need some load times please - 10/29/2004 14:13:50   
OK, nix that. I'd just loaded it up to my other host. Won't bother now.

Great. As the client is insisting on movement (and lots of it) I'm trying to get it as fast as possible.


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RE: Need some load times please - 10/29/2004 14:16:25   
about 29 seconds until totally loaded...

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RE: Need some load times please - 10/29/2004 14:18:31   
Really! Had it started playing before that?

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RE: Need some load times please - 10/29/2004 15:32:18   
after about 5-7 seconds. i'm not sure whether i might be the exception here - maybe before you start worrying see how other people - those who might fall more easily into the target audience - fare,

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RE: Need some load times please - 10/29/2004 17:59:28   
47 seconds on 52 Kbps dial-up connection. Music started immediately with the picture and played until the finish smoothly. Ed

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RE: Need some load times please - 10/30/2004 4:44:32   
Thanks Ed.

Is that your usual access speed? If so would you say that is pretty much acceptable or would it drive you nuts?

I ask because those of us who are now used to high speed broadband would go mental waiting that long but it's purely that we're used to almost instantaneous. 5 seconds for us is about the limit.

I think I can speed it up a bit more but not sure by how much yet.

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RE: Need some load times please - 10/30/2004 12:27:34   
52 Kbps is my home connection. The company I work for set up a dial-up service on my laptop for when I am out of the office, I can check my E-mail; so I just use it when at home. At work, I am on a high speed connection and your site loads in about 5 seconds.

As far as acceptable, it's not too bad. When (if) you add a "Loading", or "Loading - Please Wait", and maybe give a percent complete bar as it is loading, that will really make a difference.

You may not get to see these examples due to your high speed connection, but www.easton.com and www.obrothermusic.com are two good examples. The latter takes about the same amount of time to load as yours. The Easton site has an initial loading period, but gives you the option to skip the intro and jump directly into the section your are looking for.

In a nutshell, if you add some type of loading notice, I think the dial-up waiting period will not be a problem, for it will remind the user that the site is coming and not locked up or something.

Website construction using FP is getting more fun by the day for me, and it is still just a hobby. I have learned a half dozen techniques from this forum alone and now you have got me thinking about adding some Flash.

Question: Is your site using Flash incorporated into FP, or is it a stand alone website building program? Ed.



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RE: Need some load times please - 10/30/2004 12:39:00   
pretty impressive, jaybee - good job!

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RE: Need some load times please - 10/30/2004 12:51:34   
Why thank you Uncle Dan. Very kind of you to say so. I have to admit I based it on something I had seen on my travels around the web. Looked fairly straightforward I thought and then I tried to do it. :)

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Question: Is your site using Flash incorporated into FP, or is it a stand alone website building program? Ed.


Ed. No, not FP I'm afraid. Like most of the pros on here, I use a mixture of things. Depends on what I'm doing. I sometimes use FP to pull hand coded pages in for previews but I then work with the code tab and raw HTML rather than the design tab.

If you look at the code behind the page (View>Source) you'll see references in there to cascading style sheets. FP isn't too good with css in design mode.

As for the flash embedding, that's just a javascript that also gets called in. You can get Flash to generate that for you when you publish your movie.

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RE: Need some load times please - 10/30/2004 12:55:13   
Wayhay. I've got the swf file down to half the size. Now almost instant load on my 512 connection. :)

A few more tweaks and the whole thing will have finished playing before the page has loaded :)

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RE: Need some load times please - 10/30/2004 13:53:34   
jaybee: you've done so well that I am hesitant to offer any advice but since you admit it's your first foray into Flash, and at the risk of telling you what you already know......
by using objects, Flash can take one instance and use it multiple times without increasing file size. for example, the twirling martini glasses that make me thirsty. you might have created them with Flash drawing tools or imported them from another program. lets say you imported them and each for 3 kb.. File/Import to Stage - once, twice, thrice (is that British? hehe) you now have 3 martini glasses and a total of 9kb. the alternative is File/Import to Library. Then Window/Library opens Library in lower right. drag the object to the stage as many times as you like - even use the transformation tool to resize some of them - Flash still only has one object in the code for 3kb (plus a mathematical resize formula for each that is far far less than i kb.

If you make them yourself, after you make one, click the select toll and draw a square around it- and Insert( I think - I dont have Flash open) and select convert to symbol. give it a name..delete from stage and its in your library and your can drag it onto stage as many times as you like without increasing file size! HTH
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RE: Need some load times please - 10/30/2004 15:38:08   
Thanks Uncle Dan, I'd just worked that one out. Went into the library and deleted out a load of unused pics I'd pulled in and then discarded and guess what......

Oooh, Oooh, I've got the file size down to 150k. That's less than a quarter of the size it was when I first posted.


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Do symbols take up less space than jpgs? In other words if I convert my pics into symbols will it be even smaller?

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RE: Need some load times please - 10/30/2004 19:25:10   
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Do symbols take up less space than jpgs? In other words if I convert my pics into symbols will it be even smaller

not certain but i dont believe so---its just that as symbols, they can be reused endlessly and each usage doesnt increase file size.

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RE: Need some load times please - 10/31/2004 5:15:47   
Okey dokey. It was just a thought to see if I could shrink the thing even more.

I have managed to get it under 100k but then the sound is awful.

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RE: Need some load times please - 10/31/2004 8:06:15   
jaybee: is the sound a short file that repeats over and over or a long string that stretches accross the movie? if it was a repeater- that would shorten the size. sounds fine to me

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RE: Need some load times please - 10/31/2004 11:51:38   
Loops twice.

Spent ages trying to get it to finish somewhere so that it would loop sensibly.

I've finished tweaking now and it's as small as it's going to get 148k.

With all the tests done the results seem to be

broadband 512k and above....... pretty much instant load
56k dial up ............. reports coming in of less than 10 seconds.

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RE: Need some load times please - 10/31/2004 12:41:25   
Guess what. it even validates.

Now there's a fluke. :)

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RE: Need some load times please - 10/31/2004 12:43:27   
how come the mouse overs are so dark you can hardly see them?

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RE: Need some load times please - 10/31/2004 13:47:59   
Cos I'm an affiliate of a spectacle manufacturer! :)

I'm still deciding what to do with them.

Darker, lighter, different colour altogether, different font,,,,

What do you reckon?

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RE: Need some load times please - 11/1/2004 11:31:54   
Hi Jaybee,

I'm using cable here - took 5 secs to load and the music start playing.

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RE: Need some load times please - 11/1/2004 11:34:16   
Hi Jatbee,

Also just noticed that when you hover over the links you can't read them

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