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jhendu -> Browser stuff?? (11/17/2004 17:08:44)
I just published my site....www.relaxandtaste.com and am getting comments that some people can't open the links.... I think it has to do with the fact they are not using IE...how do I change that profile in my site so everyone can see it...? Thanks!

bobby -> RE: Browser stuff?? (11/17/2004 17:14:40)
Can you post a link to the site so we can check it out? Are these text links or javascript..? Or FP component hover buttons? (That would be my first guess, since they don't work all the time... even in IE)

jhendu -> RE: Browser stuff?? (11/17/2004 17:16:32)
www.relaxandtaste.com I think I created the links in text boxes...

bobby -> RE: Browser stuff?? (11/17/2004 17:28:22)
Aha... Looks like you created this in MS-Word..? Text boxes won't work in any browser but IE (I believe it relies on a proprietary MS Office protocol that only IE can interpret) It also ads a lot of extra bloat to your page code that isn't necessary (check out all of the XML scattered around) The best way to produce them for all browsers would be to create .gif images instead and place them into the page... then create links on them to the appropriate pages. This is generally the way a link button is produced.

jhendu -> RE: Browser stuff?? (11/17/2004 19:00:10)
Sooo ....how do I create a gif file...can I take the text boxes and transfer them to a gif file.. also, is this the reason that people can see the site but cannot access the other pages, because that is what is happening.. thanks

pesty -> RE: Browser stuff?? (11/17/2004 19:42:51)
Hey jhendu, Was looking at your site, and bobby's right. You will have to use images as links instead of text boxes when you use Word. Using Word to create a website is a real bad thing. Your going to have lots of problems. You can use image buttons or actual photos as links. You can find free buttons all over the internet. You just need to download them and save them as .gif <input type="image" src="button1.gif"> Once you do this, replace your text links with the button links, or put the buttons beside the text. I have another suggestion for you. You page is way to wide. You need to adjust it to fit everyone's screen. Theres nothing more irritating than having to scroll from side to side on a web site. Most people will just go somewhere else to avoid the hassle. To help correct this problem you need to adjust your table width. Screen resolution is important. Instead of using % (percentages) to set your table width, you need to use pixels. "598" pixels is good. You might want to consider using less bolded letters too. Hope this helps Pesty

aaronwiles -> RE: Browser stuff?? (11/17/2004 21:23:02)
First things first, minimize the browser window you are reading this from, find Micro$oft Word you have opened to edit/attempt to create your web site with and close down it...!!! Secondly if you have it, use M$ FrontPage to create your web site from scratch. If you haven't got FrontPage any HTML Editor will do, there are plenty of free ones out their or maybe a friend has a copy of a free one you can install from CD. Microsoft Word is a word processor NOT a web development tool, although Word has some kinda of alien built in web page aspect to it, you could not make life more difficult for yourself but to use this & limit your visitors to visitors using only M$ Internet Explorer. I think I can probably speak for many people when I say we have all been there and tried using word to create our first web page, but we soon found/realised/was told that it is a very VERY bad idea indeed. My advice, use a HTML Editor to create your site, you will find it much easier to not only create the site you desire but to create a more universal site.

jhendu -> RE: Browser stuff?? (11/17/2004 21:30:53)
I don't know where the idea came from that the site was created in Microsoft word...but I actually created it in Frontpage 2003. I didn't use a template, so created a site from blank web pages by inserting text boxes and putting in the information.... at this point I don't know what to do...First though, I want to be able to have people able to access the links..then I will start working on the other issues .... Thanks

aaronwiles -> RE: Browser stuff?? (11/17/2004 22:17:25)
We thought Word because of the coding that is being used, FrontPage 2003 does not create that kinda of coding as standard, how very strange...! Well that is your problem, your code is using from what I can tell xml and not html, is this something you have set within your site options?

pesty -> RE: Browser stuff?? (11/17/2004 22:56:48)
You need to check you closing tags. They're out of order. Remember.... first in is the last out. Pesty

jhendu -> RE: Browser stuff?? (11/18/2004 0:06:49)
Sorry guys...I don't know what you mean by closing tags...or xml...I just created a basic site on frontpage, tried to figure out what layers were ...didn't end up using them... and just did something that I know what it looked like, but didn't know how to do it.. you are going to have to "dumb" it down for me.. thanks

Charles W Davis -> RE: Browser stuff?? (11/18/2004 9:19:18)
Some opening tags: <html> <head> <body> Related closing tags: </html> </head> </body>

Giomanach -> RE: Browser stuff?? (11/18/2004 9:30:20)
Joshua I'm afraid Bobby, Pesty and Aaron are right, all (or part of) the web has been built in MS Word.. First Give Away: quote: <html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> FP2003 is sold as a separate program, not part of the Office Suite. Second: quote: <!--[if !mso]> <style> v\:* { behavior: url(#default#VML) } o\:* { behavior: url(#default#VML) } .shape { behavior: url(#default#VML) } </style> <![endif]--> Only MS Word comments out the CSS etc like that, also MS Word is the only program to produce CSS like that. quote: <!--[if gte mso 9]> If memory serves me right thats either Office 2k or Office 2k2 (Office XP is 10, 2003 is 11) Did you copy any of the content over from MS word at all?

dpf -> RE: Browser stuff?? (11/18/2004 9:43:53)
quote: putting in the information.... I accept that you didnt build the page with MS Word but I suspect that the passage above means you copied/pasted the info from word - same problem. copy into notepad first and then copy paste to FP. these guys are right tho, you need to scrap that page and start over. trust these guys

bobby -> RE: Browser stuff?? (11/18/2004 10:07:00)
It is possible folks that Frontpage uses similar XML schema for text boxes that Word does... I've never used a text box in FP so I'm not sure. Graphics are still the way to go for these buttons IMO

jhendu -> RE: Browser stuff?? (11/18/2004 12:42:23)
You are right....I did copy and paste from publisher.... I guess I will start over....now I just need to figure out how to do it... What is the best way to create a text box within a web page?...like the one I want to create..? Thanks for all the comments

bobby -> RE: Browser stuff?? (11/18/2004 12:52:20)
Create a graphic image, (.gif probably) then insert the image into the page where you want your button. Then link it like you would a line of text... Repeat as necessary... Voila! Buttons [;)] You can also create rollover buttons (the kind that change when you mouse over them) using this simple javascript and tutorial: http://www.outfront.net/tutorials_02/adv_tech/rollovers1.htm

dpf -> RE: Browser stuff?? (11/18/2004 12:57:48)
quote: I guess I will start over....now I just need to figure out how to do it... and by all means dont be discouraged. you arent the first person who did this!!!

bobby -> RE: Browser stuff?? (11/18/2004 13:08:31)
... and you won't be the last... [;)]

jhendu -> RE: Browser stuff?? (11/18/2004 13:11:41)
So it is ok to create a text box within the new web page for text...but then if I want to link a page to another, that "button" needs to be a .gif ?... Thanks

bobby -> RE: Browser stuff?? (11/18/2004 13:15:56)
You could use the textbox... but I'd recommend against it. (In fact I would recommend NEVER using them) Instead, use a table to lay out the page and put your text in table cells. That way you will still have a pretty easy way to buid the layout and design, but you won't be stuck with any proprietary XML nonsense in the background... Tables weren't meant for page layouts, but they work very well and are easy to set up.

aaronwiles -> RE: Browser stuff?? (11/22/2004 20:38:02)
quote: I guess I will start over....now I just need to figure out how to do it... Happens to us all... Sometimes I still find myself starting over again :-s

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