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drussel

 

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changing hosts - 1/2/2005 23:56:54   
I want to transfer http://www.timquinnart.com from it's present host to my account at 1and1.com . Since I'm normally a cluts at this type of thing I thought I'd ask for advice ahead of time. There must be a tutorial for this some where, all help appreciated I have the name servers from 1an1 which i'm sure will prove helpful but what do I do next?
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RE: changing hosts - 1/3/2005 10:23:51   
It can be really simple or it can be an absolute S**! Depends on your existing domain host.

First part is dead easy, just upload your entire site to 1&1. If you don't have your entire site, download it from your existing host onto your machine first.

Once it's on 1&1 you should be able to access it to check it all works before you redirect you domain. They should have given you instructions on how to reach your site before the DNS has propagated.

When you're happy that everything looks OK then you need to go to your original host or whoever looks after your domain and redirect it.

Many hosts have a control panel that allows you to just change the DNS server names and 24 -48 hours later you're up and running on the new host (it''ll still point at the old one until it's propagated so don't delete the old one too fast).

If there is no control panel or you don't understand what to do then you'll need to contact their support people for help.

This is where it can be a S**. Some hosts charge you to move your domain away and others just ignore requests to help move it. Hopefully you'll have neither of those problems.

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RE: changing hosts - 1/3/2005 11:52:34   
This is where it can be a S**. Some hosts charge you to move your domain away and others just ignore requests to help move it. Hopefully you'll have neither of those problems.
- If you purchased your domain through this host, you have rights to the domain, and they cannot legally charge you to change registrars, or change DNS. If they do charge, please let us know here.

Once it's on 1&1 you should be able to access it to check it all works before you redirect you domain. They should have given you instructions on how to reach your site before the DNS has propagated.
- Usually this will be hostingcompany.com/~username Not always is this correct, but your welcome e-mail should contain this information.

Well said jaybee. I think someone should write a tutorial explaining how to move from one host to another, I know it can be a real pain if there are just a few problems.

Have you noticed a problem with a FPSE website that was published to the http://server.name.com/~username, then brought up on the actual domain or ip?

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Giomanach

 

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RE: changing hosts - 1/3/2005 19:41:49   
quote:

I think someone should write a tutorial explaining how to move from one host to another,

I ain't got that far yet...:):)

In short:

1) Change namerservers on the domain
2) ensure the DNS is correct on the account
3) Recreate all necessary email accounts on the new server

But Gill pretty much has is down to the T...

quote:

Have you noticed a problem with a FPSE website that was published to the http://server.name.com/~username, then brought up on the actual domain or ip?

That all depends on how the servers are setup.

Some are setup to use individual usernames to define between the account, like the address you gave above B, but others will give them a unique subdomain style address etc.

But when you do it like that, it can be tricky using FP Publish to get the damn thing to connect, as has been found out before. But usually, there are no problems when doing so, unless the host has made some form of bodge up, of which, isn't uncommon

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BobbyDouglas

 

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RE: changing hosts - 1/3/2005 20:52:27   
Dan, I have never had a connection problem with publishing to the temp address, it has just been with viewing the FPSE on the actual domain/IP instead of the server ip/~username. The thing I notice is that the navigations are no longer visible, and other FPSE related stuff.

The server extensions were installed very carefully, so I am pretty sure there is nothing wrong with that. Does this happen to you sometimes too?

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Giomanach

 

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RE: changing hosts - 1/3/2005 22:06:20   
It's the way the WHM's work.

I have several test account's that I've created, one for FP testing, one for odments and another for SST script testing, mainly php.

When uploading with FP, I get no problems, as they're my servers, I know how they work, and I know how to log in to every aspect of the server.

When I upload the php scripts, I will have the problem of includes, and HTTP Server variables, due to them registering the web as a .com domain not a server#.domain.com/~user

It's pretty much the way the WHM software creates the webs, and configures them, yeah it can be annoying, but it has it's solutions

When you use FP the publish a web, it will just see the address you give as a login location, and a location to upload the files to, but when it actually gets the publishing bit (sorting out the FPE reliant pages), it will read the account settings and use the relevant address (the domain the account was setup up with) etc.

But when accessing the web through the user account way, it will look in the web root for either the reseller account, or the root for the web server and run the file references from there, which is why the virtual includes and FP nav bars and the like will fail to function till the domain is setup

OK, I'll shut up now

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RE: changing hosts - 1/3/2005 23:56:04   
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When you use FP the publish a web, it will just see the address you give as a login location, and a location to upload the files to, but when it actually gets the publishing bit (sorting out the FPE reliant pages), it will read the account settings and use the relevant address (the domain the account was setup up with) etc.

- It is "supposed" to use the username and directory as the location. Inside the access file, it tells the actual location. I just don't understand what part of FPSE makes it change, if the location is the same.

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