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drhg -> Frontpage 2003 (1/5/2005 16:58:22)

A year ago I created a website for a client. I used an Outfront template and adapted it.
At that stage I think I was using FP2000.

The site was working fine and after completion I handed admin/webmaster over to an in house person. It was this site that I really cut my teeth on with FP.

I haven't done much since but the webmaster of the site did a few things (minor) and then nothing and webmaster has been handed back to me.

Now when I down load and view the site under FP2003 all the navigation bars disappear and I get a message to edit link bar properties. Nothing fixes it.

If I refresh the page from the site and use Mozilla or IE to view it - 1st view is fine - close it and problem is there and date on htm file is changed. Refresh it again and open with FP2003 - navigation bars stuffed.

The only way I can open these pages without corrupting them is to use ultraedit - and to edit the html directly and uploading to the website. Why!!!!

Looking at the corrupted versus uncorrupted pages under Ultraedit the difference seems assoc with Javascript? help - the site is www.nzalpa.org.nz



dpf -> RE: Frontpage 2003 (1/5/2005 17:42:52)

looks fine to me????



drhg -> RE: Frontpage 2003 (1/5/2005 17:55:28)

Yes, only because I edit the pages using Ultraedit and then upload. I have to create the chages in FP2003 - if I upload this to the website the navigation has gone. I then open ultraedit - open an uncorrupted copy and the corrupted changed page and cut and paste using ultraedit - save and upload the ultraedit cut and pasted version. If I upload the FP version the navigation has gone!



Larry M. -> RE: Frontpage 2003 (1/5/2005 18:21:46)

quote:

If I upload the FP version the navigation has gone!


drhg,

There's a ton of hover button script on your site which may be the culprit. That combined with how you are "uploading" files (dare I guess FTP?) will do a FrontPage site in big time.

Email Tom Brunt - he stands behind his work.



drhg -> RE: Frontpage 2003 (1/5/2005 19:02:42)

So FP can't be uploaded/downloaded with FTP? - whilst learning FP2000 I could never get the FP upload/download to work - never - never could get FP server to go also - which has now been done away with I believe in 2003?

Anyway - I had to use FTP - and that worked then - but now it doesn't.

I have since changed to broadband with different providor so will now work on using FP upload/download.

Even bought OutFront utility that plugs into FP and manges all sites passwords - that didn't work.

So guess I goto nail FP upload/download capabilty and I will be a happy chappy. Any tips in this area gratefully accepted.

Thanks for the fast replies

drhg



dpf -> RE: Frontpage 2003 (1/5/2005 19:17:12)

quote:

FP upload/download.
File/Publish



Larry M. -> RE: Frontpage 2003 (1/5/2005 20:43:44)

quote:

So FP can't be uploaded/downloaded with FTP?


drhg,

Can but shouldn't in situations involving Components requiring extensions and shared borders. Best to, as Dan said, >>File>>Publish Site as a matter of course.

You've hosed your server files (and extensions if you have them installed). Period. Assuming you have good local files, delete all files from server and start over. Reinstall extensions and recalculate hyperlinks beforehand.




dpf -> RE: Frontpage 2003 (1/5/2005 21:16:54)

quote:

Ultraedit
what is that?



drhg -> RE: Frontpage 2003 (1/5/2005 22:49:33)

Trouble is I don't fully understand the ways and wherefores - I had to get a site up and gong quickly - picked FP2000 - bought a readymade template and adapted it - again without truly understanding how -

As you say Publish form FP was what I should have done but it didn't work so I did it via FTP, passive mode and it worked. FP Extensions and database didn't but I didn't need it at this stage.

Before I could FTP the page back to FP, do the changes and FTP back and voila, all was well.

Now, all is not well ad things don't work.

So peoples, what am I doing wrong - I created a new directory on my system at home and used FP2003 to download the site to this new directory. I avoided FTP - but could only get HTTP transfer to work - I then opened the site with FP on my laptop - XP Pro - Web Server, FP extensions installed - same problem - navigation bars zapped.

What am I doing wrong - !!!! - or not doing right.



Larry M. -> RE: Frontpage 2003 (1/6/2005 8:35:00)

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but could only get HTTP transfer to work - I then opened the site with FP on my laptop - XP Pro -Web Server, FP extensions installed - same problem - navigation bars zapped


drhg,

The problem is in here somewhere - you should have been able to publish down which would have preserved the shared borders. Procedural versus equipment is my guess at this point.

Suggestion: Make a zipped copy of your good site files available and PM me when ready. I'll look the files over when I get them, clean them up if necessary, and publish as a subweb. Plan B: PM me with your username/password and I'll publish down from here. You can and should change password when this is resolved.




drhg -> RE: Frontpage 2003 (1/6/2005 14:15:27)

Thanks Larry - wilco

Wont publish pw & username this forum - send me email address please to drhg@acenet.com.au



dpf -> RE: Frontpage 2003 (1/6/2005 14:33:30)

quote:

Wont publish pw & username this forum - send me email address please to
not a good idea to post email either..spammers will pick it up.. i suggest you delete this. click larrys name and it will take you to page where u can either PM him or email him



Giomanach -> RE: Frontpage 2003 (1/6/2005 14:50:20)

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ORIGINAL: dpf

quote:

Ultraedit
what is that?

That my son, is yet another web authoring program, but it's more coding based that visual



Larry M. -> RE: Frontpage 2003 (1/6/2005 16:10:20)

Dan, Dan + Anyone Else,

I have drhg's username/password for www.nzalpa.org.nz but the host server refuses access - see embedded graphic of screen prompt. Stopped me at the front door - didn't even get the usual UN/PW query screen.

Any ideas?

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Giomanach -> RE: Frontpage 2003 (1/7/2005 7:15:37)

Thanks got the PM on this one Larry

drhg - What version of FPSE are installed on the server? 2000 or 2002?

D



Larry M. -> RE: Frontpage 2003 (1/7/2005 12:39:02)

Dan,

I asked drhg by PM to share his username/password with you.

We're dead in water on his issue until someone can look at the files. At this point I think he has near-terminal problems at both the local and remote levels.



Giomanach -> RE: Frontpage 2003 (1/7/2005 13:03:31)

Ok, I await them with anxiety...lol

My gut feeling is a FPSE problem, if you read the first post, you will see that drhg has said he was using Fp2k at the start of it, and is now using FP2k3 - both of which use different FPSE versions, hence the lack of ability to log in.

When I get the log in details, I'll give it all I've got =)

D

PS - The Best News, his server does not disclose ID's....it be Xmas in the caribbean mon!



drhg -> RE: Frontpage 2003 (1/7/2005 13:31:10)

Sorry - missed this one - ULtraEdit is not a web authoring program but a true editor of any file. It gives you the guts. Open an EXE and you see line by line everything in hex or ascii. Great for cracking things that may not wish to be cracked.

It isn't a cracker but a comparer and then you can change at the single hex code level.

Enables you to compare one file against another.



drhg -> RE: Frontpage 2003 (1/7/2005 13:33:29)

Trying to get there guys - but what is PM, PMing?

Surely must be a newbie with a question like that.



drhg -> RE: Frontpage 2003 (1/7/2005 13:44:23)

Will send Giomanach username and PW, however how do I get FPSE version from.

Yes I have FP2003 on board my laptop now but originally started with FP2000. I built site on my server at work which has still got Win 2000 Server and FP2000 on board. I did a down publish there also - same problem.

Thought I was going mad with these navigation panels. Loaded original sunset template from OutFront - and all works fine on that. Navigation panels are fine.

Might try an upload of this to a subweb and see what happens.

Originally built site on my hosted site and for 6 months pointed address there. This is a Linux based site - not Windows.
New site where it has been hosted for last year is Windows based. Had to get a discussion panel going within a few days - gee they don't want things quickly. Bought an open sourced one which ran first go from a link on my front page. It will only run on a Windows based system



Larry M. -> RE: Frontpage 2003 (1/7/2005 15:32:07)

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Trying to get there guys - but what is PM, PMing?


drhg,

PM = Private Message = intra-OutFront Forum member-to-member messaging. Hyperlink access right below participating member's Forum name.

Dan may be on to something with the FPSE version versus FrontPage versions. You might still want to send me the zipped site files so I can test here in case server problems aren't the issue. I sent you a PM with my off-forum email address.



Giomanach -> RE: Frontpage 2003 (1/7/2005 16:21:40)

I have tried connecting to the site using both FP2000 and FP2003 with no success.

But before I stick by my assumption, I just want to make sure I'm trying to open the site right:

File>>Open Site/Web>>Enter complete URL>>Wait for it to connect...

and that's as far as I get...

It's that long since I used FP for anything productive[8D]



Larry M. -> RE: Frontpage 2003 (1/7/2005 17:48:47)

quote:

File>>Open Site/Web>>Enter complete URL>>Wait for it to connect


Dan,

It's File>>Open Site/Site Name>>Enter complete URL>>Wait for it to connect.

I can actually connect in FrontPage but with no username/password query screen. As a result I still don't have server access to the files. I've PM'd drhg for the zipped site files. All I can do.

Thanks for your help as always (but didn't need the gratuitous FrontPage remark[:'(]).



dpf -> RE: Frontpage 2003 (1/7/2005 18:48:41)

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but didn't need the gratuitous FrontPage remark
good point, Larry



drhg -> RE: Frontpage 2003 (1/14/2005 17:48:51)

Thanks to all the help I got on this one from the forum. And on the side directly from Larry.

Eventually got there but it was not easy. The problem was multi-factorial - but it stemmed from being a newbie and having to learn the ropes. There is no better way to learn than to do.

I had been asked to build a site for someone - especially the New Zealand's air Line Pilots Assoc. My twin was a pilot and he was their IT man, and knew I was dabbling a bit in this area.

I bought a copy of FP 2000 and self trained to get going, but the web host I picked had problems with their FPSE. They didn't let me log in - so not knowing why you must use FPSE vs FTP, I just did FTP. Things worked. I built the site from an OutFront template - sunset. Dumb was I in the knowledge that I had a handle on FP.

I was asked to hand wed admin to someone within NZALPA. 1.5 years later I get it back because it is scrambled - webmaster never used FP just did more and more fixes via an html editor and FTP - scrambling it further.

When I came back on board I had replaced my computer from Win 2000 Pro with a laptop with XP Pro, FP 2003 on board and theoretically IIS going.

Not so - IIS and FPSE were there but unable to create a localHost website and to publish to that site from a disk-based site. Learning curve vertical at this stage - like Larry's Tomcat!

Uninstalled all - reinstall IIs less FPSE 2000, download and install FPSE 2002 - voila - localHost now working - able to publish.

Sent Larry copy of site files and he confirmed they were scrambled - dug up old copy from somewhere - sent these to Larry who then cleaned them up and put them up on a subsite of his own web - the work and time was very much appreciated.

I was myself during this time getting a handled on FP 2003 and the hows and whys of localhost vs diskbased and local web vs remote web. I was able to reconstruct my website from old vs existing and create a localhost site. This performed 100%. So far I hadn't needed to download Larry's fixed site (I hope you weren't to disappointed but needed to do this myself for the learning experience).

Then I had to tackled the web hosting admin people - eventually got them talking turkey and seems they did something there end and suddenly everything clicked and zap FPSE 2002 was away and logging in. (for your info logon url for FPSE seems to leave www. out ie http://nzalpa.org.nz - it doesn't like the www.!!! ). I did a publish and site now 100%.

Now confident to handle FP 2003 and move to the next step of web design.

Am locked horns with my own hosting people. Can't logon to my own web with FPSE - back on forth, back and forth we went. Finally didn't screen capture of error messages and they now accept it is their problem - they are not recognizing FPSE passwords.

Is this common - folks is FP a good package to use or should I move on to something better - e.g. Dreamweaver; ASP; php/MySql ???

Thanks again for all the help - a great forum




Lazykatz -> RE: Frontpage 2003 (1/14/2005 20:10:59)

Hi all,

I'm fairly new around here and have looked at all of the post above.

I was having the same problems with taking over webmaster duties
from someone not using FP for editing, and the fix was to check and
re-install FP extentions on server. I use C-Panel, so when ever something
isn't working in FP, the 1st thing I do is go check extentions, that's
probably what the host did.

Just my two cents worth...

Grizz [8D]



Larry M. -> RE: Frontpage 2003 (1/14/2005 20:48:27)

Lazykatz,

I've been pretty close to this from thread inception and can say, that while there were several file problems (now resolved), the central issue remaining is drhg's host thinking (and getting away with it) they are the tail wagging the dog, rather than vice versa. Plenty of cooperative and knowledgeable New Zealand hosts out there, I'm sure, instead of the one he has at present.

Dr. Howard George of Leppington, New Zealand (drhg) allow me to suggest it's time to change.



drhg -> RE: Frontpage 2003 (1/14/2005 21:56:34)

Yes Larry perhaps - the NZALPA website is hosted by Orcon of Auckland New Zealand.

I am in Sydney, Australia. Orcon uses a Windows Server - they came to the party fairly quickly. My host for me in Australia - Net Registry are causing me angst and yes it may be time to move on. I have had a number of problems there.



drhg -> RE: Frontpage 2003 (1/21/2005 17:00:01)

Just to finish this all off. My web site provider in Australia - the 2nd site that wouldn't permit FPSE to log on finally stopped arguing and after ring my agent on that site versus technical - told them fix or I go!! - they manually reinstalled FPSE and what-do-you-know it suddenly works - but I had to threaten them and it took 1.5 weeks for action.

Tell me I am not being too demanding; am I too pushy or am I just best to move on and find someone with a better site as Larry said - I suspect so.

The trouble is that as a newbie - probably not that anymore - you don't know whether it is your end or their end - trouble is I suspect they! always blame the user.

I am so glad this forum does not treat the newbie/learner as a sub-species - thanks guys.

All my sites are working beautifully under FP2003. Had to update nzalpa site for something - was at a client's installing Win 2003 Terminal Services - and whilst I waited for a ghosting of the drive - just unplugged a network cable from a terminal - changed my gateway address - did my change to the local site store - linked to the remote site - updated and was finished in about 15 minutes - Oh so nice when it all works.



dpf -> RE: Frontpage 2003 (1/21/2005 17:01:43)

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All my sites are working beautifully under FP2003. Had to update nzalpa site for something - was at a client's installing Win 2003 Terminal Services - and whilst I waited for a ghosting of the drive - just unplugged a network cable from a terminal - changed my gateway address - did my change to the local site store - linked to the remote site - updated and was finished in about 15 minutes - Oh so nice when it all works.
hardly sounds like "newbie" talk there!!!!!



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