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lellis_sjca -> too much candy (themes and css style sheets) (1/8/2005 14:28:50)

I am a quazi beginner to css; but an very experienced old time frontpage user. Problem is I always feel that I am not very efficient in using css.

Where I am at

I tend to first modify an existing frontpage theme through the theme editor and later on modify the css later in the project.

What I find is frontpage gives me a great start but adds a ton of tags when they create the theme.

Too much candy, where to start?

I don't know what each MS style tag means and spend a lot of time hunting and pecking through the style tags to find what I want and then back out to see how it fits in the theme. This is very time consuming.

Need

What I "think" I need is listed below.

Am I wandering in the right direction or down a rat hole.... looking for pointers from as many of you as possible.

1) I am visual. I am looking for a traditional stylesheet as used in offline print media. Am hoping there is a template (in HTML) that I can load in the site and then browse and see what displays in what format in my css page(s) so I can quickly reference what I am doing.

I can make this myself but hoping there is something out there that I can reuse.

2) A reference card/page to MS css style tags and what each mean. I have a pointer to a great W3G card but am looking for more detail on the more specific ones MS "seems" to have developed.

3) An editor that is mostly focused on css that does this cleanly and easily.




dpf -> RE: too much candy (themes and css style sheets) (1/8/2005 14:39:33)

well written question! there are many here better equiped than I to answer but my 1 1/2 cents is this..... as I moved towards more css, I found that it was simpler for me to abandon any uage of FP themes. frankly, they seemed to me to be so proprietary that they interfered with my implementation of css. that may not be a given - it may just be that i couldnt figured it out - anyway, i am not a big fan of fp themes. hope that helps a little



jaybee -> RE: too much candy (themes and css style sheets) (1/8/2005 18:54:18)

My twin just gave you the same answer as I was going to post.

If you want to use css, forget FP themes and the FP version of css.

I have just spent the last 48 hours removing a FP theme and what it calls css from a site I did a few years ago. I've managed to clean up 36 pages so far and they now validate Bobby AAA.

Only another 152 to go [&:]



dpf -> RE: too much candy (themes and css style sheets) (1/8/2005 18:55:38)

quote:

My twin
but Mom and everyone else always said you were the good looking one.



jaybee -> RE: too much candy (themes and css style sheets) (1/9/2005 5:02:20)

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ORIGINAL: dpf

quote:

My twin
but Mom and everyone else always said you were the good looking one.


It's the mask and the cape that does it. [;)]

Why, oh why, oh why doesn't the FP theme have a remove option?

I've done the "default" bit. I've done the "remove formatting" bit. I've even done the "unistall all the flaming themes so they can't interfere" bit and still there's yards of FP icky code in there. If have to do one more Replace><p align="center"> I'm going to go nuts! [image]http://tcwozere.co.uk/smileys/banghead.gif[/image]



Kitka -> RE: too much candy (themes and css style sheets) (1/9/2005 5:17:18)

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If have to do one more Replace><p align="center"> I'm going to go nuts!


Have you tried using Find and Replace > All pages > Replace All ?

Far quicker than doing one page at a time.



jaybee -> RE: too much candy (themes and css style sheets) (1/9/2005 5:23:18)

Yes but unfortunately it isn't that simple. Is it ever?

It's full of stuff like....

align=center width = 127px height=15px
align=center width = 124px height=18px
align=center width = 158px height=25px
align=center width = 47px height=73px

so even if I blitz all the aligns in one go I still have to trawl through for the heights and widths which...... of course..... are all different! [:@]

What I really need is a wildcard in the replace.



Kitka -> RE: too much candy (themes and css style sheets) (1/9/2005 5:29:52)

With tables, I select the whole table in normal view, then go to Cell properties and uncheck both height and width, and set alignments to default - zaps all in one go, never mind how different they all are. Then I also do Table properties. But this process, of course, has to be done for each table separately. Still much faster than doing each attribute separately in html though.



jaybee -> RE: too much candy (themes and css style sheets) (1/9/2005 5:37:15)

Yes I'm doing that but I'm still getting left with a huge amount of formatting. I'm also trying to replace all the tables with divs.

There are 550 pages in total. I'm going for the main ones at the moment which get the largest number of hits but I'll have to do the lot eventually. I've found a piece of software this morning that supposedly runs through and removes all formatting. Hmmmmm.

I'm off to give it a go. If it works I'll be back pronto to tell you. If not I may be gone for some time. [&o]



Kitka -> RE: too much candy (themes and css style sheets) (1/9/2005 5:40:07)

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I'm off to give it a go. If it works I'll be back pronto to tell you. If not I may be gone for some time.


The very best of British luck with it! [:)] And if it works, please tell us the name of the software! [;)] [8D]



jaybee -> RE: too much candy (themes and css style sheets) (1/9/2005 9:39:27)

Ummmm, well that worked.

In fact it worked so well there wasn't actually much left.......

including content. [&:]



jcrutchfield -> RE: too much candy (themes and css style sheets) (1/31/2005 17:17:34)

Sounds like I'm in the same situation as the original poster.

As I attempt to ask questions about CSS, I quickly formulate my own answers. I need to review and learn the CSS tags. Thanks.



jaybee -> RE: too much candy (themes and css style sheets) (2/1/2005 5:06:38)

http://www.w3schools.org/css/default.asp



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