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myfunbirthday Posts: 35 Joined: 2/7/2004 Status: offline	Back to school ? - 2/4/2005 15:12:36 Hi there, I recently discovered how much I DON'T know about FP - I had my suspicions and then after looking into CSS and formatting etc. it was like a foreign language. My thoughts are that I am not using it nearly as efficiently as I could be. I have plans to take an HTML/CSS class but I'm wondering if what I really need to do is take a FP class. One that will teach me the ins and outs of the CSS features on the software itself. Any thoughts? Thank you Kit


dpf Posts: 7126 Joined: 11/12/2003 From: India-napolis Status: offline	RE: Back to school ? - 2/4/2005 16:32:21 i think you would benefit more from the html/css class. FP writes html better than it does css - knowing the html allows you to make minor, necessary tweaks to FP's html butin FP 2002 ( i dont have 2003) I found FP's css support to be poor and unreliabe - others may disagree _____________________________ Dan (in reply to myfunbirthday)


jaybee Posts: 14207 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Back to school ? - 2/4/2005 17:53:44 FP2003 is better with css but that's still not saying a lot. The problem is it still likes to have its own way with code so although you get the reductions with css, it gets cancelled out by all the other crud that goes in. If you want to do sites with css then learn HTML and css, use FP (or a freebie like HTMLKit) as a means to do it and stay away from the design tab. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to dpf)


Nicole Posts: 2854 Joined: 9/15/2004 From: Nambucca / Kempsey, Australia Status: offline	RE: Back to school ? - 2/5/2005 3:28:43 Hi Kit, Western Civilizations have software that writes the CSS for you, though i haven't used it as much as i could've been, they also have a few tutorials there. Nicole _____________________________ (in reply to myfunbirthday)


d a v e Posts: 4194 Joined: 7/24/2002 From: England (but live in Finland now) Status: offline	RE: Back to school ? - 2/5/2005 4:18:59 huh i donwloaded their trials and told them what i wanted. i came back half an hour later and the software hadn't written a thing!! :) _____________________________ David Prescott Gekko web design (in reply to Nicole)


Nicole Posts: 2854 Joined: 9/15/2004 From: Nambucca / Kempsey, Australia Status: offline	RE: Back to school ? - 2/5/2005 4:37:51 Well Dave, Western Civilizations is an Australian company, I guess it didn't quite understand your accent!!! Nicole (in reply to d a v e)


jaybee Posts: 14207 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Back to school ? - 2/5/2005 5:58:15 Ahhhh StyleMaster. Watch out. I had a copy of it and it's OK but I uninstalled it because of the huge, and I mean HUGE, number of files it writes to your machine. Everytime you make a change it writes another load so when you're developing and checking layout you suddenly find there's hundreds of em. I think it does it so it can roll back but it drove me nuts. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to Nicole)


Nicole Posts: 2854 Joined: 9/15/2004 From: Nambucca / Kempsey, Australia Status: offline	RE: Back to school ? - 2/5/2005 6:06:46 The trial period's over for me, and i still haven't bought it like i swore i would. Actually, i was turned off a bit when it wouldn't run one time, so i contacted them to ask why? their support staff were quick to respond, but all they told me was to go to the FAQ section of their website and from there i noticed i had to delete a file from my hard-drive every time i opened Stylemaster. To me, a company promoting a product that needs you to do that every time you want to run the program gives warning signs. Nicole p.s. that may have only been for the trial version, but in any case, that's not very good PR. _____________________________ (in reply to jaybee)


myfunbirthday Posts: 35 Joined: 2/7/2004 Status: offline	RE: Back to school ? - 2/5/2005 18:04:52 So it seems to me from your posts, that I should learn HTML and CSS in a pure unedited style. Software whether FP or otherwise can jam things up -- right? I wonder whether my brain can handle more information but here i go ..... Kit (in reply to myfunbirthday)


jaybee Posts: 14207 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Back to school ? - 2/5/2005 18:10:42 Take it slowly and make lots of use of www.w3schools.org Then I suggest you use Firefox as your browser, go to the extensions tab and download the Developers toolbar at the very least. You'll be amazed! If you're starting with css develop for Firefox then test out in IE afterwards. You'll save yourself a lot of hassle. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to myfunbirthday)


FlowerPower Posts: 67 Joined: 4/27/2004 Status: offline	RE: Back to school ? - 2/19/2005 2:42:07 quote: Then I suggest you use Firefox as your browser, go to the extensions tab and download the Developers toolbar at the very least. You'll be amazed! If you're starting with css develop for Firefox then test out in IE afterwards. You'll save yourself a lot of hassle. Thanks for the hints! I have been testing in IE first, and have found some issues when viewing in Firefox, e.g. with positioning of <div>. I have found that when two sections are adjacent in IE, they sometimes overlap in Firefox... Will try your strategy. Flo (in reply to jaybee)