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Frontpage is v. v. slow when using CSS - 2/22/2005 15:27:49
I've been using FP for many years and upgraded to FP 2000 some years back. I've become fairly familiar with it. But I've never used CSS.
Started using CSS now and FP runs like a tortoise on editing work. Some of my sites that have no CSS still run at the normal speed but when I fire up pages that have CSS... scrolling up and down in Normal (editing) view is painfully, painfully slow.
I've tried to find the answer here and found excellent CSS threads and many good links - including links to troubleshooting pages - which I've read, but none seem to address this problem I'm having.
I recall reading some while ago that 1 pixel spacer gifs could be causing the problem. So I redesigned my template without spacer gifs and I STILL have the problem. Can anyone help?
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RE: Frontpage is v. v. slow when using CSS - 2/22/2005 16:12:37
Thanks for your reply jaybee.
Since I posted this I've had a chance to try my sites out in FP2003 (on another PC). I get exactly the same problem.
I would dearly love to try the programs suggested but I do rely on various FP features like "includes" (SSI), Find and Replace, hyperlink charts and other tools.
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RE: Frontpage is v. v. slow when using CSS - 2/23/2005 6:42:45
Thanks for your replies.
bobby, I did buy a copy of DW but really hated using it. I know, I know, it takes time but I've invested too much in learning FP and, more importantly, all its quirks. I'm aware that includes work slightly differently to SSIs in that they aren't server side. But, for example, I paid a big price to learn the relative URL problem (i.e. when you fire up a template in FP you have to save it in the new file name and directory otherwise all the links you add in the content could get messed up and point to locations on your hard disk). It took me many days to sort the problems this ignorance cost me.
I have no doubt DW is an excellent program for many but I don't have the time to start from scratch. I have thousands of pages spread over several sites and one screw up could cost me dearly in time (and money).
>> The one thing that FP does really well is WYSIWYG editing
Bingo! That's exactly why I like using it. I see myself as an author, not a webmaster, and I like to concentrate on the writing bit rather than coding or design. FP is great for writing articles.
The pages work fine in Firefox and IE. They also scroll just dandy in Preview mode. I'm in the IT industry and have several pretty up-to-date PCs (in fact, I write articles on the latest PC hardware). My assumption is that the problem is not for want of the right hardware.
To answer jaybee's questions: I'm not using themes; I'm using an external CSS file. I've mailed you some domains, jaybee.
< Message edited by Paleblue -- 2/23/2005 6:50:30 >
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RE: Frontpage is v. v. slow when using CSS - 2/23/2005 7:29:50
Much appreciated.
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RE: Frontpage is v. v. slow when using CSS - 2/24/2005 6:20:00
Jaybee, thanks for that. It sounds like the possible answer (I had never considered background images as the source of the problem).
>>If you're not confident with it
That's me! That's me! LOL
Thanks for your help. I will try this and get back.
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RE: Frontpage is v. v. slow when using CSS - 2/24/2005 8:32:52
Just to update you guys (and help any future readers of this thread) Jaybee's suggestion led me to the answer.
I first tried deleting the background images i.e. I went to each <td width="100%" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" background="image.gif"> and removed the background="image.gif" which made no diffference. So, I removed the bgcolor as well. Still no difference. Then I made one little change that completely solved the problem. I removed the background image (<body... background="image.gif">) and that solved the problem completely.
Background images were not a problem before I started using CSS, but I can see jaybee's point. So, here is my unconditional apology for the unjust accusation against CSS ;)
And my undying gratitude to jaybee for her very generous help.
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RE: Frontpage is v. v. slow when using CSS - 2/24/2005 8:56:28
and just to support jaybees suggestion....
if you look at the code FP generates, you will see font tags EVERYWHERE. converting fonts to css and getting those <font> tags out of your html is a huge step towards reducing its size and slowly easing you into css. its the theory of "baby steps" build confidence. In addition, one the important reasosn for using css is that it make maintence so much easier - imagine wanting to change font colors and having to find every <font> tag!!!
I also want to support your (paleblue) earlier comment about not using dreamweaver - I happen to love DW@, started with FP and switched but.... what you say makes sense - you have invested a lot in FP and dont want to make the switch right now. DW is less intuitive although = easy after you get the layout but if you are happy with FP, dont let anyone push you into switching.
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