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urlgurl -> Pretty in Pink? (2/26/2005 16:33:45)
What seems an eternity ago I had considered going to css. At the last minute, I hesitated and my site has sat in cyberspace with the use of - blush - forms. Although my site has felt 'til this time "pretty in pink" I am about to make some major changes to it. I am considering using Includes for the upper, lefty and bottom nav bars so that as mood or fashion dictates I may change my site as the whim moves me. Before I go through the few hundred pages to reformat them, I would like to know if it looks okay on computers other than my own and my trusty friend (who is infact my laptop.) The page with the Includes is http://www.northumberlandbride.com/index_test.htm The original page is at http://www.northumberlandbride.com Many thanks again. Jen

dpf -> RE: Pretty in Pink? (2/26/2005 16:51:15)
quote: At the last minute, I hesitated and my site has sat in cyberspace with the use of - blush - forms. curious about that - use of forms shouldnt make you blush - and forms arent replaced by css. anyway, site looks fine.

urlgurl -> RE: Pretty in Pink? (2/27/2005 9:52:35)
I must have been in Monday Mode. I meant to say tables not forms (blush again.) And many thanks for the reply. Jen

markhawker -> RE: Pretty in Pink? (2/27/2005 10:02:06)
Jen, the site looks fine, what I would suggest to you though is to format the tables using CSS, like you said for the future it will be much easier to re-format and edit. Also consider changing the hover-over colour of your links and add an underline (just for accessibility as most users expect an underlined link if you get me?) Northumberland CA is a lot nicer than Northumberland UK BTW! Regards,

Nicole -> RE: Pretty in Pink? (2/27/2005 15:30:20)
Hi Jen, I viewed your site at 1024x768 on IE 6 and it looked great!!! Apart from what the guys have said, i was wondering whether the contact in the upper part of the page should be left aligned with the rest of the content? Also, i wondered if there was a reason for the greyscale photos in the top part? They seemed to stand out as different with the other ones being in colour? Great site though, maybe i'll bookmark it for some wedding ideas? Nicole

oakfarm -> RE: Pretty in Pink? (2/27/2005 15:46:20)
I love your site and I think the colors work well. I must say however the bottom bar of your pages is a little cluttered.

urlgurl -> RE: Pretty in Pink? (2/28/2005 9:23:18)
I have added the includes on all of the pages (eek) and uploaded them. markhawker, thanks so very much for the comment. Perhaps you could point this out to the Northumberland UK and get yourself a redesign contract [:D] And I like the idea of the underline on hover. Now I just need to play with some css to get it to look the same (read: afraid to get feet wet) Nicoleoz, that is a very good point on the b&w pictures on the front. They are pictures I had purchased the right to use when I launched the first incarnation of the site - which was aubergine and mauve. They colours of course washed out to gray on LCD so it turned pink. I guess it is time to set sentimental feelings aside and update them. And if you need any (complimentry) wedding planning advice . . . . oakfarm, thanks for the input. I will have to ponder how to unclutter that. I am a pack-rat by nature, and perhaps that is flooding into my computer as well. [:D] I must add that the outfront forum is wonderful. I have posted on another FP forum, and was flamed for a simple question. This seems to be such a wonderful community. Many thanks.

dpf -> RE: Pretty in Pink? (2/28/2005 9:39:01)
quote: and was flamed for a simple question. This seems to be such a wonderful community. Many thanks. you will find that is generally not permitted here. If moderators dont delete it, members jump in. Its a major reason why i keep coming back. btw, tables are not a legitimate cause for blushing either..<smile>

anderskorte -> RE: Pretty in Pink? (3/4/2005 11:59:25)

I have seen this site somewhere. You must have posted it in critiques before.

About tables, there's nothing that should make you panic. Using CSS over tables for layout is of course preferred but you don't have to start redesigning your website just because of that. If you'll be building websites in the future, you should use CSS then, redesigning can be pretty difficult.

But the real problem is not the tables, but this (code from your site):

              ...
              <tr>
                <td width="1" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><img border="0" src="spacer.gif" width="1" height="1"></td>

                <td width="100%" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><img border="0" src="spacer.gif" width="1" height="1"></td>
              </tr>
              <tr>
                <td width="1" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><img border="0" src="spacer.gif" width="1" height="1"></td>
                <td width="100%" bgcolor="#F0D0D8">
                  <table border="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%">
                    <tr>
                      <td width="100%"><font color="#980030" face="Arial" size="2"><b><a style="text-decoration: none" href="websites.htm">Wedding
                        Website </a><br>

                        </b>A wedding website designed for you!</font></td>
                    </tr>
                  </table>
                </td>
              </tr>
             ...

and above all, this:

<span style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";
mso-ansi-language: EN-US;
mso-fareast-language:EN-US;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA">Do you need etiquette advice
or wedding planning tips? </span>
<span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;
mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US;
mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Northumberland Bride</span>

This is where CSS comes in. You don't seem to have any control over your website, but your code gets bloated because of all that bgcolor, margin, cellspacing, bgcolor, font, bgcolor, cellspacing, font, bgcolor, font, margin, font, bgcolor... that can easily be replaced with a few lines of CSS. And with CSS, you don't need those spacer GIF's.

There's nothing wrong with table layout as long as you keep it simple. On your website, the tables seem to linearize quite OK, so no problem about that.

anders

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