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CelticDragon -> abbr V. acronym (3/7/2005 12:47:58)

Is there one which is better supported or do they both basically do the same thing?

I'm doing a media production site for my sister and I was thinking about explaining a lot of technical stuff for users.... Any views on this?

PS: will this also help seo or is this considered to be "cheating" for padding your text and I should be careful?



dpf -> RE: abbr V. acronym (3/7/2005 12:58:46)

quote:

Is their one which is better supported or do they both basically do the same thing?
Sorry, but what are you asking? what are "they"?



CelticDragon -> RE: abbr V. acronym (3/7/2005 13:00:24)

sorry:

the abbr and the acronym tags....



d a v e -> RE: abbr V. acronym (3/7/2005 13:35:04)

both are similar, but abbr is used for abbreviations e.g. css (cascading stylesheets) and acronyms are things like WHO (world health organisation) i.e. a 'word' that is made up from the initials of the words contained in the phrase/name

you can style them with css as well like here
http://members.tiscali.fi/dave_pirjo/test-area/css_stuff/hifi/hifi.html (the B&W in the subtitle and the freq. in the specifications) though the abbr doesn't seem to work in IE, but then IE is sh*t.




jaybee -> RE: abbr V. acronym (3/7/2005 16:12:18)

Which is why, at the moment, I don't use abbr. [:D]



dpf -> RE: abbr V. acronym (3/7/2005 16:36:50)

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sh*t.
dave: is that an abbr. or acronym?



fredecd -> RE: abbr V. acronym (3/7/2005 17:37:54)

LOL!!!!

Thanks for that one, Dan. I needed a good laugh today.[sm=lol.gif]



jaybee -> RE: abbr V. acronym (3/7/2005 18:50:55)

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dave: is that an abbr. or acronym?


I think it's a rude word. [:D]



d a v e -> RE: abbr V. acronym (3/8/2005 0:18:45)

well obviously it's "shot" or should be ;)

jaybee i understand why you don't want to use abbr for IE but what about other users and users of screen readers? aren't they going to be mentally scarred or something if they encounter an 'acronym' when it's plainly an abbreviation?

this is one of those really annoying <abbr title="incapable explorer">IE></abbr> things that (IE) users don't care about when you tell them what a 'shot' browser IE is :)



dpf -> RE: abbr V. acronym (3/8/2005 4:36:18)

<rude>sh*t</rude>



jaybee -> RE: abbr V. acronym (3/8/2005 4:56:09)

No David Sir, you get me wrong. I don't use abbr or abbreviations. Until abbr works in IE, I use the full thing.

The only exception is at the bottom of the page where I have the validation stuff. Most of the time I use the logos with title attribs but if I have to use the words, I figure most people don't go down the bottom of the page to look for that anyway.



d a v e -> RE: abbr V. acronym (3/8/2005 8:39:09)

"david sir" blimey is that me?! so you're putting me on a par with Bill Gates?!

ah see what you mean

i'd rather let IE users wonder what the heck an acronym means ;)



anderskorte -> RE: abbr V. acronym (3/9/2005 3:00:48)

I always thought the only difference between an abbreviation and an acronym is that in case of abbr you literally spell the letters, like in "W3C", "FBI", "SQL", "BBC", "EU".

An acronym, on the other hand, is read and pronounced as if it was any text, like "NATO", "IANA", "GNU", "NASA", "CORBA".

Like here: 
abbr {speak:spell-out;}
acronym {speak:normal;}

But of course I may have been mistaken.



CelticDragon -> RE: abbr V. acronym (3/9/2005 4:39:40)

An abbreviation is a shortening of another word, such as abbr. is an abbreviation of abbreviation (English language rule#145: never use a word to explain it's meaning - thrown out the window!). Steve is an abbreviation of Stephen.

An acronym is a word made up of letters of other words to give a title. MsSql is an acronym of MicroSoft Simple(?) Query Language.

My question was more from a usability point of view, there would be nothing stopping someone from having something like

<abbr title="Here is a really keyword rich sentence loosely associated with the words in the header title">Keyword</abbr>

But is this likely to get you slap on the wrist by the search engines - or should I be posing this in the SEO forum?



jaybee -> RE: abbr V. acronym (3/9/2005 5:18:16)

The whole point of abbr and acronym is to provide extra information about something. If you are providing that information, (Bobby and Cynthia positively encourage it) then you should be fine. However, using them for keyword stuffing, even if not frowned upon by the SEOs cannot be good for your visitors.

If they hover over the term and get a long list of garbage they won't be your friend.



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