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Duplicate Shared Borders - tried everything... - 3/22/2005 20:33:42
What an awesome forum! Too bad I didn't find you guys a few weeks back - hehe. 
I'm currently experiencing the dreaded "duplicate shared borders" issue. I'm running FrontPage 2000 version 4.0.2.2717 on my local machine, which runs WinXP SP2. I'm not sure which extensions are on the server side, but can only hope they are up-to-date on their patches as the site is on Microsoft Webhosting. (maybe this is my problem in the first place? lol) 
If I delete and recode the top and bottom shared borders, everything works great. That is, until I publish the site a second time, at which point I get duplicate headers/footers on every page. I've un-hidden the _border HTML and double-checked the code, but all <body> and <html> tags seem to be right on. However, once the issue surfaces, I get double code on the hosted file (File / View Source) that doesn't appear on my local. I've tried viewing the site in both Opera and Explorer - same results. I've attempted the Microsoft fix at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/298827/EN-US/ that deals with registry edits, but none of the entries listed appear in my registry.
I'm thinking I'm pretty much out of options. Any advice or assistance would be greatly appreciated. I've lost many hours of sleep over what seems to be a simple process. Thanks in advance!
The site is at: http://www.cctv-surveillance-dvrs.com/catalog
There is probably a great deal of unnecessary code in the body, but there's not much I can do about that. I'm using Microsoft's bCentral e-commerce solution and much of that HTML is auto-generated.
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RE: Duplicate Shared Borders - tried everything... - 3/22/2005 20:47:56
Hi BobbyD - thanks for the fast reply! Hope this helps...
Top Shared Border:
<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<title>Shared Top Border</title>
</head>
<body>
<table border="0" cellspacing="1" width="100%">
<tr>
<td width="65%"><img border="0" src="../images/Advanced-CCTV%20Logo.jpg" width="177" height="75"></td>
<td width="35%" valign="bottom">
<p align="right"><img border="0" src="../images/Name-Logo.gif" width="110" height="53"></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width="65%">
<table border="0" cellspacing="1" width="100%">
<tr>
<td width="100%"><font face="Verdana" size="1" color="#000080"><b><a href="../catalog/professional_cameras_460483_products.htm">ProSeries</a> |
<a href="../catalog/bullet_cameras_460482_products.htm">Bullet</a> | Dome | Infrared | Specialty | Lens |
<a href="../catalog/dvrs_462374_products.htm">
DVRs</a> | Analog</b></font></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width="100%"><font face="Verdana" size="1" color="#000080"><b>
PC Cards | Monitors | Sony Brand | Cables Etc | <a href="../catalog/housing___brackets_462296_products.htm"> Housing Etc</a> | Power Supplies</b></font></td>
</tr>
</table>
</td>
<td width="35%" valign="top">
<p align="right"><b><font face="Verdana" size="1" color="#000080"><a href="../catalog/index.htm">Home</a>
| FAQ
| Contact Us</font></b>
</td>
</tr>
</table>
</body>
</html>
Body:
<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="en-us">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">
<meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
<meta name="fpCatalogTemplate" content="1">
<title>catalog.htm</title>
<meta name="Microsoft Border" content="tb, default">
</head>
<body>
<p><font face="Verdana" size="2"><br>
Something about us, our company...<br>
</font></p>
</body>
</html>
Bottom Shared Border:
<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<title>Shared Bottom Border</title>
<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">
<meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
</head>
<body>
<p align="center"><b><font face="Verdana" size="2"><br>
</font></b><img border="0" src="../images/Name-Logo.gif" width="110" height="53"><font face="Verdana" size="1"><br>
Suite #201, 584 Lenwood Drive<br>
Slidell, Louisiana 70458</font><b><font face="Verdana" size="2"><br>
</font></b></p>
</body>
</html>
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RE: Duplicate Shared Borders - tried everything... - 3/22/2005 21:09:36
Btw, I edited your post to use the code tags. It makes things much easier to read 
If you click the button named "code" when you make a post, it will put an open/close tag for code, place the code inside of those in the future.
This is what I would do to resolve your problem, or come close to figuring out what the issue is.
1. Backup the entire website.
- Find out where the actual website is located on your computer. There should be some folder that it is inside. Copy the folder that is it in, and paste it on your Desktop. Do this, just in case something gets screwed up in the process. Save it to the desktop for easy access later on. Be sure to copy the folder, and not cut it, or delete it, etc..
2. Create a new frontpage web. File > New > Web > Personal Web. Open the index file, double check that there are shared borders present, if there are not shared borders, add them now. Save the page if you made any changes, and publish it to your website under a new directory.
3. Goto the new website that you published, check to see if the shared borders are double.
The next steps will be determined by whatever the result is from step 2.
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RE: Duplicate Shared Borders - tried everything... - 3/22/2005 21:36:02
Thanks for inserting the code tags - useful feature!
Just so we're clear - the bCommerce manager utilizes some kind of ecommerce application to generate most of the product pages [!--webbot bot="fpecom"].
I just completely redownloaded the products to a new directory on my local, included the shared borders (add top/bottom shared borders to all, unhid borders, then copy and pasted over from normal view of first page).
Republished to a new web directory (hopefully you can tell me how to go about deleting an entire site and refreshing extensions?) at http://www.cctv-surveillance-dvrs.com/test/catalog/
Same duplicate shared borders.
Note: Links haven't been updated, so direct click will take you to a dead page. Easily corrected by changing the folder name (Advanced%20CCTV) to "test/"
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RE: Duplicate Shared Borders - tried everything... - 3/22/2005 21:40:10
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2. Create a new frontpage web. File > New > Web > Personal Web. Open the index file, double check that there are shared borders present, if there are not shared borders, add them now. Save the page if you made any changes, and publish it to your website under a new directory.
3. Goto the new website that you published, check to see if the shared borders are double.
- Where did you do this at?
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RE: Duplicate Shared Borders - tried everything... - 3/22/2005 21:44:26
Mr. B - maybe I didn't understand fully, my apologies. I did upload to a different directory (note the /test in the link)
I just created a new 1-page index file at http://www.cctv-surveillance-dvrs.com/test2/ which is only a single page with shared header/footer. Seems to be working fine, even after publishing several times.
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RE: Duplicate Shared Borders - tried everything... - 3/22/2005 21:50:03
What I was asking for was a new site that is not part of your current one, that uses shared borders, to be uploaded. I want to make sure that it is not an issue with just your particular web. By creating a new web, we could see if it is an issue with your web or your server extensions.
Now that we know your server extensions seem to be working o k, we can move on 
On your new page, http://www.cctv-surveillance-dvrs.com/test2/ , add the bCommerce stuff, and upload. See if you have the same problem.
Also, copy the contents inside of http://www.cctv-surveillance-dvrs.com/test2/, and paste it inside of the page that has the double shared borders, then publish it again.
I am going to eat dinner right now. One last thing to try before I go... (if possible) Delete the web that is already online, and publish it again. I am not sure what you have setup online, but if you know FP well enough to determine if what is online is ok to be deleted and published again, I would suggest doing that. If you are not sure if something will break, or something else bad might happen, DO NOT do my last suggestion.
There might be something that caused that particular web to have double shared border (when publishing & merging changes). If you do a full delete and publish, this might correct the issue.
Be back in 15.
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RE: Duplicate Shared Borders - tried everything... - 3/22/2005 22:14:28
Think I may have an idea as to what it may be. Please bare with me, as I don't fully understand well enough to explain.
The bCommerce software sets up "templates" for each product. It sets up a product listing page and then a detailed individual product page. It basically runs the code in the template for each product. Well, since I am using the shared borders on all pages, and the application runs the code in the template (which also has shared borders), the result is a duplicate header/footer.
I came to this conclusion because the posted "template" pages are not showing duplicates.
http://www.cctv-surveillance-dvrs.com/catalog_templates/housing___brackets_462296_detail.htm
http://www.cctv-surveillance-dvrs.com/catalog_templates/bullet_cameras_460482_list.htm
Think I will have to find an alternative method for posting.
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RE: Duplicate Shared Borders - tried everything... - 3/22/2005 22:16:25
Remove the shared borders, then add the bCommerce info stuff, and publish it.
The end result should be a page with the shared borders (hopefully at least).
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RE: Duplicate Shared Borders - tried everything... - 3/22/2005 23:11:17
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Well, I give up for the night. Thanks for the help Mr Bob - nice to have someone to work with for once.
- Glad to help
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My last ditch effort was to turn off shared borders on all pages, and just add shared borders (current pages) to the template pages. No luck - looks like still duplicates on some pages and now no header/footer on others.
- Not sure what you mean here..
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In any event, I would really appreciate info on completely removing a site from the web without ruining the FrontPage extensions. I'm guessing File Manager --> Select All --> Delete isn't my best bet?
- Well I am not sure if it is an issue with the site, I think it is just the bCentral stuff that is miessing things up. I wouldn't delete the site, because I am not sure how things are setup on your server, and wouldn't want to take the chance to mess that up.
My last suggestion is this... Remove the shared borders on the page that has an issue, then add the bCentral stuff, then publish that page and see if there are double borders, single borders, or no borders.
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